Croatian soldiers saving wounded Serb soldier during Operation Storm

I already talked about humanity and professionalism of Croatian soldiers in Croatian Independence War, but this video is epic one.

Soldiers from 4th Croatian brigade 'Spiders' found a wounded Serbian soldier and took him to the hospital.
That Serbian soldier is still alive and today he is living a nice family life in city called Bijeljina (Bosnia in Herzegovina)

Yes,saved one soldier but killed others,banishing 250k serbs with nothing.
Saving one of thousands of people isnt justification.

Private Milhais (Portuguese soldier) in WW1 also decimated columns of germans and saved hundreds of french and english to retreat and distracted germans while Americans and English were hitting the germans from the flanks. He is the most condecorated Portuguese soldier of all times and he was saved from drowning in a swamp by a scottish doctor, he was a farmer and you dont see it spread that nationalism on atwar forums lol

Написао Kromn, 05.08.2015 at 07:41

Yes,saved one soldier but killed others,banishing 250k serbs with nothing.
Saving one of thousands of people isnt justification.

• The truth about 250 000 evacuated Serbs!!!
Despite constant calls of Croatian president Franjo Tuđman to citizens of Serbian nationality to stay in Croatia, which guarantees them full citizenship (!!!!) , the largest number of Serbs at the request of his military and political leadership left Croatia in cars and tractors.
The order on the evacuation of Serbs from was signed by Serbian General Mile Mrksic and Mile Martic (!!!!).
Number of Serb refugees is assessed differently: Croatian sources say the figure of 90,000 people, the UN about 150,000, and the Serbian 200.000-250.000 (Incredibly pumped number again).

About the organized evacuation testified one of the Croatian Serb rebel leader Milan Babic on May 9, 1995.
Here is statement of that Serbian rebel (!!!!) :
'For me, it seemed astonishing to hear that the Main Staff of the RSK army and President Mile Martić ordered a general evacuation of the Serbian population and the withdrawal of the army on all fronts lines in Knin, Northern Dalmatia and Lika, although on most lines of contact with the Army were not expressed serious combat and the Army is under the previous plan, and should be able to keep the approaches to Knin at least a month in which there were all the necessary conditions'.

To prove all of this, I have Serbian document about evacuation which was signed by Serbian General Mile Mrksic and Mile Martic:

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• Copied message of Croatian president Franjo Tuđman to all Serbian citizens of Croatia:

'Croatian citizens of Serbian nationality from the occupied territories of Knin, Gracac, Lapac, Korenica, Slunj, Glina, Dvor and Petrinja:

Since the failure of all previous attempts, including yesterday's negotiations in Geneva, and the Croatian authorities and the international community for the peaceful reintegration of the Croatian occupied territories; As the originators of the rebellion in Croatia, Martic and others., Instead of responding to the call for peaceful reintegration, continue the war against the Croatian state, and along with the ringleaders of rebellion in Bosnia, Karadzic and others., Forge new plans for conquest to conquest common safe area of ​​Bihac, what Croatia can not afford; As the Croatian and Bosnian Serbs not only to prevent the return of refugees, but also continue with the persecution of non-Serbs; Since the Serbian extremists from the beginning of rebellion and now, call for help remains of Italian fascism, offering a division of Croatian territory between the Italian and Serbian imperialism; Since rambunctious paramilitary Serbian troops, and still commit terrorist attacks on the civilian population from Slavonia to Dalmatia, Croatia shelled areas and cities of Otocac, Gospic, Karlovac, even while in Geneva with Croatian delegation lead political discussions on the peaceful reintegration, again bombarded and the area of ​​Dubrovnik where they dropped a new human victims; And since all the attempts, the Croatian state and the international community to revolt alienated parts of Croatian territory to be peacefully returned under Croatian sovereignty were abandoned and cheated, Croatia is a country forced to take the military steps to activate the aforementioned occupied territories in its constitutional and legal system.

We are forced to such a decision so that, after four years of futile negotiations put an end to the further playing the Croatian and international public and to ensure the beginning of the return of displaced persons to their homes. Therefore, on behalf of the Croatian democratic government: I call on members of Serbian paramilitary units, who have voluntarily or forcibly mobilized in paramilitary Serbian troops to surrender their weapons to the Croatian authorities with a guarantee that they will be bestowed amnesty under Croatian laws. I call on the initiators of the rebellion to realize the futility of their venture and its harmfulness for the Serbian community in Croatia, if they persist in rebellion, to surrender to Croatian authorities and accept forgiveness and a fair trial for their transgressions. I invite the Croatian citizens of Serbian nationality who have not actively participated in the revolt, to remain in their homes, and without fear for their lives and their property, welcome the Croatian authorities, with the guarantee that they will be given full citizenship rights and allow elections for the local government to Croatian Constitution and Constitutional Law in the presence of international observers.

I invite the representatives of Serbia and Montenegro (Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and their) to stop supporting extremists from the occupied Croatian territory, which was evident at yesterday's Geneva talks in which he participated and the Yugoslav Charge d'Affaires when Croatian Serbs refused to accept the peaceful reintegration of the occupied territories. That would be a first step towards a general solution to the Croatian-Serbian relations on the whole interest-space two adjacent nations, and the normalization of relations on the basis of international recognition. We are determined to end the suffering and uncertainty of Croatian refugees from the occupied territories, and that the Croatian Serbs, guaranteed human and ethnic rights in the constitutional and legal order of the Croatian Democratic.'

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Propaganda xD
We all know what happened,and you know it xD

There was good things on both sides in every war. Christmas celebration between English and Germans in WW1, US and Vietnamese, Russians and Afghans, so does Croats and Serbs.

Here is video of Serbian Bosnian Army Commander Ratko Mladich saving Bosnian Turks:



He liberated town and defeated terrorists and for that he is trialed in artificial non-recognized court in Netherland set up by US and EU to imprison generals and leaders of nations who oppose Western imperialism. Nothing new.

Написао Skanderbeg, 05.08.2015 at 08:14

And this is what happened for real !!!

Serbian general Ratko Mladic said: 'However, the time has come to take revenge muslim Turks'

He killed them.

Написао Croat, 05.08.2015 at 07:50

Despite constant calls of Croatian president Franjo Tuđman to citizens of Serbian nationality to stay in Croatia, which guarantees them full citizenship (!!!!)

Franjo Tudjman changed Croatian constituion where he removed Serbs from it and took away their human and constitutional rights. What full citizenship? What a lie...

He was pushing for war since 1980's while he was in communist party, fanatical communist turned to be fanatical fascist in the 90's. He started the war and led ethnic cleansing of 250,000 civilians.

His hate speech



His speech after ethnic cleansing, glorifying his ultra-nationalist party and fascist militia. He mock Serbian civilians who suffered during exodus saying 'they didnt had time to take with them their dirty underwear'.




Here is video of Security Service filming terrorists planning war and ethnic cleansing of non-croats from Croatia. Everyting on tape, no way to deny it.

Croat, i dont know if you have noticed, but you're doing exactly the same thing as what Tito did, you're spreading propaganda for what you belive to be superior

Написао Tirpitz406, 05.08.2015 at 09:08

Croat, i dont know if you have noticed, but you're doing exactly the same thing as what Tito did, you're spreading propaganda for what you belive to be superior

I noticed you dont understand the difference between propaganda and truth. But I understand since I know you are generalising all things on Balkans so I wont go in any further discussion about this with you.

Написао Tirpitz406, 05.08.2015 at 09:08

Croat, i dont know if you have noticed, but you're doing exactly the same thing as what Tito did, you're spreading propaganda for what you belive to be superior

Lol lie again... do you westerns all live in basement or something?

I tell truth and you call it propaganda and you compare it to lies spammed by Raskolnikov/Oluja 1995

Are you holocaust denier too?

Написао Skanderbeg, 05.08.2015 at 10:36

Lol lie again... do you westerns all live in basement or something?

I tell truth and you call it propaganda and you compare it to lies spammed by Raskolnikov/Oluja 1995

Are you holocaust denier too?

yea, i deny the holocaust, seems legit, i make a statement about spreading nationalism ----> holocaust denier

you and croat, see, what i mean is that tito just like croat was spreading nationalism, if you make one nation look better it will at the same time make other nations especially its opponents look worse. some say that a little patriotism wouldnt affect them, but most wars in recent history were caused by nations bashing eachother, insulting eachother until a war broke out. i'm not saying that nations like the US are comparable to Nazi germany, but patriotism and taking pride in winning a war against some nation in both cases is a major factor. for example the war in afghanistan and the second iraq war were only justifyable because the US citizens saw their national pride hurt after 9/11 (real cause could have been oil, but thats not what the people wanted) and other nations handle terrorism with a lot less violence. the wars in afghanistan and iraq costed somewhere between 125.000 up to over a million lives wich isnt comparable to the 3000 deaths in 9/11 at all.

now, why am i telling you all this? because i want to show that nationalism or patriotism cause wars and need to be stopped, the war between croatia and serbia werent excusively caused by nationalism but nationalism helped and if croatia (we'll hope that never happens) at some point has to fight another war against anyone, its highly possible that nationalism will play a big role.

Tirpitz Croatia never attack nobody in history..

Написао Mateo8943, 05.08.2015 at 11:07

Tirpitz Croatia never attack nobody in history..

Thats true, State of Croatia never attacked another state directly.

But Croatia was part of Hungary and later Austria-Hungary for 800 years (1102-1918) and as part of Hungary they invaded other countries and used violence. Croatia as part of Austria-Hungary participated in WW1 on wrong side.

Even with brief independence in 1941-1945 as Nazi Croatia in WW2, they didnt attack other countries (Croatian neighbors were fascist allies anyway), but it did use alot of violence against its population.

Написао Tirpitz406, 05.08.2015 at 10:58

you and croat, see, what i mean is that tito just like croat was spreading nationalism

the war between croatia and serbia

See, fallacy again. Let me correct you Reichpitz: Republic of Serbia and Republic of Croatia never fought each other. There was never a war between two states of Croatia and Serbia. Yugoslav civil war was fought between rebels who attacked Yugoslav Army bases and took weapons and recieved also weapons from America and Europe, they attacked civilians and army of Yugoslavia, not Serbia. There wasnt Serbia in 1991, neither Croatia. Only anti-government rebels and UN-recognized communist country of Yugoslavia.

Those rebels won and created Republic of Croatia which was recognized by UN (first was Germany, coincidence? ) while Yugoslavia collapsed and other new states were created most of them that never existed before.

Croats fought its own citizens in Croatia, just they were another ethnic group. And there was no Serbian Army to invade Croatia because neither Serbia, neither Serbian Army nor Croatia existed to begin with.

People who fought in that civil war were from all parts of Yugoslavia, and they fought on sides of rebels and on side of government forces. Government forces were multiethnic while rebel forces were nationalistic single ethnic like Slovenian Teritorial Defence, Croatian Defence Council, Bosnian Republican Army and Kosovo Liberation Army and Serbian Bosnian Army.

Croats from Croatia were recruited for Yugoslav Army in the war, while other Croats volunteered for rebel militia. Serbs from Serbia were recruited for Yugoslav multiethnic Army while others volunteered to illegally created paramilitaries led by criminals. Therefore Yugoslav Army was composed of Croats, Serbs, Slovenians, Bosnian Turks, Albanians, Hungarians, Montenegrins and Macedonians, while rebel forces and paramilitaries were strictly 'pure' single ethnic.

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Another lie: spreading nationalism. How am i spreading nationalism by saying fascists killed civilians and ethnically cleansed the rest of them?

I said 1000 times that i am pro-multiculturalism, globalism, democracy and freedom of religion. My country have 20 million muslims and 35 million minorities, and i support them. I never said things like deportation, and use of violence to reduce population of some ethnic group which is targeted as unwanted, as Tik Tok, Tunder and Raskolnikov/Croat support.

I even propose open borders to facilitate freedom of movement for which i recieved loads of insults from Tik Tok who is opposed to that because its ruining his 'pure' race and 'class struggle'.

Tito if you are gonna spread propaganda atleast get your facts straight,croatia was under austrian controll from 1527. not 1102.,in 1102. personall union between croatia and hungary was achived,the kingdom even had 2 seperate crowns,one hungarian and other croatian.
you say croatia and serbia never fought which is technically correct however when yugoslavia invaded croatia only serbia and MNE were still in it,croatia nover recived weapons from USA or EU (except from germany) infact they had emabargo on weapons inport for croatia and bosnia and it was strictly enforced,if there was not for the embargo war probably wouldnt have happned as if croatia and bosnia armed themselves serbs probably wouldnt have the balls to attack.
YPA (JNA) in 1991 was comprised of only serbs and montenegrins and it clearly wasnt fighting for yugo anymore since they were working together with chetniks.

Написао Skanderbeg, 05.08.2015 at 13:26

See, fallacy again. Let me correct you Reichpitz: Republic of Serbia and Republic of Croatia never fought each other. There was never a war between two states of Croatia and Serbia. Yugoslav civil war was fought between rebels who attacked Yugoslav Army bases and took weapons and recieved also weapons from America and Europe, they attacked civilians and army of Yugoslavia, not Serbia. There wasnt Serbia in 1991, neither Croatia. Only anti-government rebels and UN-recognized communist country of Yugoslavia.

Those rebels won and created Republic of Croatia which was recognized by UN (first was Germany, coincidence? ) while Yugoslavia collapsed and other new states were created most of them that never existed before.

Croats fought its own citizens in Croatia, just they were another ethnic group. And there was no Serbian Army to invade Croatia because neither Serbia, neither Serbian Army nor Croatia existed to begin with.

People who fought in that civil war were from all parts of Yugoslavia, and they fought on sides of rebels and on side of government forces. Government forces were multiethnic while rebel forces were nationalistic single ethnic like Slovenian Teritorial Defence, Croatian Defence Council, Bosnian Republican Army and Kosovo Liberation Army and Serbian Bosnian Army.

Croats from Croatia were recruited for Yugoslav Army in the war, while other Croats volunteered for rebel militia. Serbs from Serbia were recruited for Yugoslav multiethnic Army while others volunteered to illegally created paramilitaries led by criminals. Therefore Yugoslav Army was composed of Croats, Serbs, Slovenians, Bosnian Turks, Albanians, Hungarians, Montenegrins and Macedonians, while rebel forces and paramilitaries were strictly 'pure' single ethnic.

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Another lie: spreading nationalism. How am i spreading nationalism by saying fascists killed civilians and ethnically cleansed the rest of them?

I said 1000 times that i am pro-multiculturalism, globalism, democracy and freedom of religion. My country have 20 million muslims and 35 million minorities, and i support them. I never said things like deportation, and use of violence to reduce population of some ethnic group which is targeted as unwanted, as Tik Tok, Tunder and Raskolnikov/Croat support.

I even propose open borders to facilitate freedom of movement for which i recieved loads of insults from Tik Tok who is opposed to that because its ruining his 'pure' race and 'class struggle'.

i meant the war between the croatian population of jugoslavia and the serbian population of croatia, then it was pride in their peoples. pride in your people and pride in a nation is the same thing psychologycally anyways and often leads to wars and or genocides: example rwanda, they had one of the bloodiest civil wars of our recent history with 1 million deaths and no actual countries fighting a war.

however most part of the yugoslav army was serbian and most part of the croatian were croatian and bosnian. nowadays many croats gorify the war as them freeing themselfes from the serbs.

wait, why am i bothering writing anything, i just noticed, you are tito, you dont give a shit, you're just trolling...

also, you obviously spreaded russian, soviet and serbian propaganda my friend.

just saying, i've been thinking about it a lot and i've come to the conclusion that nationalism basically means potential for war, patrotism becomes nationalism nationalism becomes facism facism becomes war, you made your own topic about this

Hello, is this the American thread?