Liberalism vs. Conservatism

Написао Skanderbeg, 08.10.2015 at 15:47

Resource-based economy - https://www.thevenusproject.com/en/

i will ignore your communism and putinism trolls and i have to say im surprised i would hear about thevenusproject.com from you. I am impressed. To tell you the truth, this is exactly how imagine an ideal future society concept. That being said, i find it a little utopian and my scam-detectors are seeing red. Mainly because of the lack of real science and better more in depth engineering information. I would have like to see more concrete ideas on the actual implementation of the project, with links to scientific and technological papers and articles. I mean in the energy sector. it doesnt even include nuclear power, which atm is the only real and viable alternative to coal and oil. No diagrams, no analysis, no physics, instead a cute and inspiring presentation with cool 3rd graphics. I could have done this too.. Also, the advancements in computer AI, are not even that great yet, to even build this central automated system. Human factor cannot be taken out of the equation just yet. Anyway the project is way too general and utopic at the time. But i would definately support it and follow its progress, if theres any. Maybe the current system needs to collapse first, though, in order to even take serious steps toward that direction.

Написао Khal.eesi, 08.10.2015 at 16:05

Написао Tirpitz406, 08.10.2015 at 15:47

Greece is an irrelevant state

A country with a history as rich as Greece's will never be irrelevant

Написао Khal.eesi, 08.10.2015 at 17:47

i will ignore your communism and putinism trolls

>said communism mixed with capitalism
>he says he'll ignore my communism trolling

It is sad how much America brainwashed you Europeans for 50 years of Cold War. You get nerve/brain reaction when someone mention communism, you react like a stone age human when he see fire. You became so anti-communism that you won't even accept basic human rights like welfare and social help because it is 'too communist' and you obey to your only god 'money' not realizing it is just means of payment, equivelent worth of goods..

Maybe that's how you made such a huge debt on the West (including Greece). By ignoring basic things because targeting it as 'communist'. You can't make progress and repair the damage until you realize the truth.

Написао Khal.eesi, 08.10.2015 at 17:47

and i have to say im surprised i would hear about thevenusproject.com from you. I am impressed. To tell you the truth, this is exactly how imagine an ideal future society concept. That being said, i find it a little utopian and my scam-detectors are seeing red. Mainly because of the lack of real science and better more in depth engineering information. I would have like to see more concrete ideas on the actual implementation of the project, with links to scientific and technological papers and articles. I mean in the energy sector. it doesnt even include nuclear power, which atm is the only real and viable alternative to coal and oil. No diagrams, no analysis, no physics, instead a cute and inspiring presentation with cool 3rd graphics. I could have done this too.. Also, the advancements in computer AI, are not even that great yet, to even build this central automated system. Human factor cannot be taken out of the equation just yet. Anyway the project is way too general and utopic at the time. But i would definately support it and follow its progress, if theres any. Maybe the current system needs to collapse first, though, in order to even take serious steps toward that direction.

Basically Jaque just said that when you stop money/currency system and let people use all the resources available on the planet - human race will start growing rapidly in both terms like standard of living and economic growth. Simply put he claim that money value stop humans from making faster progress, he advocate resource-value which is more natural (nature create resources, only humans create worthless paper called money).

Написао Skanderbeg, 09.10.2015 at 05:29

>said communism mixed with capitalism
>he says he'll ignore my communism trolling

i dis not say communism mixed with capitalism lol. I said socialistic policies to mix with capitalism, there is a difference. I do not support any kind of communism, even Chinas hybrid, because same as fascism, its an authoritarian system that abuse the concept of freedom in the name of freedom. its a hoax.

Написао Skanderbeg, 09.10.2015 at 05:29

It is sad how much America brainwashed you Europeans for 50 years of Cold War. You get nerve/brain reaction when someone mention communism, you react like a stone age human when he see fire.

America didnt brainwash anyone, except maybe its own citizens. Europeans tried almost every system in existance, including communism and fascism. They just did not and cannot work. You cannot blame people for trying something and not liking it. Also communism abused basic freedoms and civil rights as well, its absurd to expect Europeans, the "free-er" people of the whole world, to go back to abusive authoritarian concepts, like communism or fascism.

Написао Skanderbeg, 09.10.2015 at 05:29

You became so anti-communism that you won't even accept basic human rights like welfare and social help because it is 'too communist' and you obey to your only god 'money' not realizing it is just means of payment, equivelent worth of goods..

I am not an anti-communist, i am just objective. And pro freedom. Your accusations are baseless, if you actually read what i wrote in all my posts, is that i am pushing for more government regulation on capitalism, more taxes to the rich, more wellfare and certainly more civil rights. Speaking of civil rights and freedom, my country ranks 46 and i am still not satisfied. Russia ranks 111 and thinks its actually free. Even your internet is censored, so dont talk to me about freedom. Same and worst with China.

Thats why i said your posts was troll. Thats why Putinism is a joke and thats why i didnt approve your post about communism vs fascism. In my critical eyes, both are shit.

edit: there is a difference, dont get me wrong. I might have been too harsh, the truth is i would prefer communism to fascim, mainly because in theory communism is actually wonderfull. It was only in practice that it utterly failed. But still if you analyze the material deep down they are both shit. Only the volume changes.


communism is on the left, fascism on the right

Написао Viruslegion, 08.10.2015 at 21:50

A country with a history as rich as Greece's will never be irrelevant

Thank you, appreciate it. But the sad truth is that especially after the crisis, Greece is just a pawn. If you actually take the time to read, the new program Germany forced upon us you will see what i am talking about. Its an actual occupation, its Nazi Germany all over again, only this time its legal. Our parliament no longer has complete power, laws and policies have to be approved by the Eu and that means future governments will have their hands tied. They signed to privatize and sell Greece assets and complete control of that program is in the hands of Eurocrats. Meaning they will steal our assets worth billions and they will sell it for millions to their friends. Moreso, they made one of our historically strong points, our army, almost obsolete and that will make it very hard for us to protect our sovereignty. I am so pissed off at Europeans that i would prefer that USA buys us and we become the 51st state. If i was a politician i would legit propose it!

Anyway, three things saddens me the most:


1. The fact that only France tried to help us against the right wing block of Germany/Finland/ Baltics. We actually reached a time historically, when states like the Baltic states , has a say in European affairs. That hurts.

2. a.)On the latest negotiations, it was clear to the international world, that Germanies proposal was too harsh for Greece to accept, thus forcing it to decline and exit Euro. It hurts that our traitor prime minister actually accepted a deal that was not meant to be accepted.

b.) It hurts more that my stupid, ignorant, uneducated countrymen that care more to get the new iphone, go to the gym and buy the new nikes, than read about politics, voted that traitor for prime minister again.

3. The biggest hurt of all comes from European and mostly Germanies historical willfull ignorance. Germany forgot about the "Treaty of Versailles". Not only it forgot, but imposed a similar one to Greece. We learned nothing from history. Things are gonna get fucked up in Europe, mark my words.

Написао Khal.eesi, 09.10.2015 at 12:08

Написао Viruslegion, 08.10.2015 at 21:50

Only part of this I would disagree with is that the Baltic States shouldn't have a say in European affairs, as members of the EU they should still have a say in what happens, not to say I agree with what they did

Написао Viruslegion, 09.10.2015 at 12:30

Only part of this I would disagree with is that the Baltic States shouldn't have a say in European affairs, as members of the EU they should still have a say in what happens, not to say I agree with what they did

ya i said that out of spite

shit i just remembered about amok and ivan. time to delete insults.

Написао Khal.eesi, 09.10.2015 at 12:34

Написао Viruslegion, 09.10.2015 at 12:30

Only part of this I would disagree with is that the Baltic States shouldn't have a say in European affairs, as members of the EU they should still have a say in what happens, not to say I agree with what they did

ya i said that out of spite

is understandable

Написао Khal.eesi, 09.10.2015 at 11:19

i dis not say communism mixed with capitalism lol. I said socialistic policies to mix with capitalism, there is a difference. I do not support any kind of communism, even Chinas hybrid, because same as fascism, its an authoritarian system that abuse the concept of freedom in the name of freedom. its a hoax.

So when capitalism mix policies, it's ok, but when communism do that it's 'hybrid'.

Communism ain't equal to totalitarianism and need not 'one-party system'. It can work perfectly fine with democracy. Stop equating Democracy with Capitalism. Actually, USSR had more political freedom than America for example as it had SOVIETS instead two-parties like USA. Soviet means 'Council' on Russian. Every village, town, settlement, city, factory, farm had Soviet made of everyone, from 15 to 105 age. They debate and decide local policy what to work, when and where. Then they elect few people and send them to federal(union) soviet to represent their locality on higher level - federal. The highest body was Supreme Soviet. Unlike US system where you have to join the party, candidate for presidency and then decide for 300 million people. Soviet system was atleast direct democracy from the bottom to the highest office. And as i said before, it had thousands of committees, soviets, councils and meetings where all people elect representatives therefore making unable only one human to hold all the power, like West blame Stalin.

Direct democracy as political system is perfect just as collectivist economic system, but it brings alot of responsibility, effort and involvement which humans are unable and doesn't want to spend. People don't want responsiblity and they ruin the chain from bottom up plus they organized in interest groups behind the curtain to pursue their selfish interest. Just like people do in parties today (factionalism). Therefore party democracy is suits me better for todays standard.

Communism with democracy can work just fine, and communism with 'capitalism' work just fine as proved in China, because China actually fixed things, not made them 'hybrid' as you said. China gave economy to PEOPLE, just as Marx said, that's not capitalism, that's pure Communism. Capitalism deny Means of Production to workers and people and Communism GIVE Means of Production to the people and workers thus China is more communistic than USSR or North Korea by that issue, but yet lack direct democracy (soviets) like USSR had. China will allow multiparty system anyway in 50-100 years because they will be strong enough economically and militarily to allow more parties although half of them will be corrupted by West (for interest).

Написао Khal.eesi, 09.10.2015 at 11:19

America didnt brainwash anyone, except maybe its own citizens. Europeans tried almost every system in existance, including communism and fascism. They just did not and cannot work. You cannot blame people for trying something and not liking it. Also communism abused basic freedoms and civil rights as well, its absurd to expect Europeans, the "free-er" people of the whole world, to go back to abusive authoritarian concepts, like communism or fascism.

it didn't? Why then after WWII 90% French said USSR liberated them (means they destroyed nazism and thus France was liberated), 50 years later French say America liberated them? Propaganda much, media and tv spamming Normandy lending and Ardenne stalemate? Why ignoring the fact that Red Army destroyed 80% of Wehrmacht until summer 1944 and America fought German remnants, not actual invincible German Army?

Написао Khal.eesi, 09.10.2015 at 11:19

I am not an anti-communist, i am just objective. And pro freedom. Your accusations are baseless, if you actually read what i wrote in all my posts, is that i am pushing for more government regulation on capitalism, more taxes to the rich, more wellfare and certainly more civil rights. Speaking of civil rights and freedom, my country ranks 46 and i am still not satisfied. Russia ranks 111 and thinks its actually free. Even your internet is censored, so dont talk to me about freedom. Same and worst with China.

Thats why i said your posts was troll. Thats why Putinism is a joke and thats why i didnt approve your post about communism vs fascism. In my critical eyes, both are shit.

edit: there is a difference, dont get me wrong. I might have been too harsh, the truth is i would prefer communism to fascim, mainly because in theory communism is actually wonderfull. It was only in practice that it utterly failed. But still if you analyze the material deep down they are both shit. Only the volume changes.


communism is on the left, fascism on the right

Depends what you want - i want freedom and for me, Russia is just perfect. Religion freedom allowed (Russia building mosques, churches, bhuddist temples, jewish sinagogues), freedom of movement, economic freedom, political freedom and freedom NOT to be spammed with porn and homosexuality. I'm happy.

In the other hand, you think Russia deny freedom by ALLOWING religion and PRESERVING freedom by defending people from obscenity. That's the difference.

By our standard, homosexuality HARM children and people and thus it is moral responsibility to defend the people against it thus PRESRVING their freedom to NOT be harmed by it.

We see your so called 'pro-freedom' as 'pro-oppression' as you IMPOSE your views on free people and making them unable to be FREE not to do your things.

Let me add that we are also disgusted by 'human rights' NGOs in Russia as they are totally anti-Russian and hostile to people and doesn't help at all. They attack Russian religions, Russian people, Russian language, Russian politics, mock Russian suffering and poverty, Russian problems in the 90's and blame Russia for many world problems which are proved to be Western responsibility for 20 years now.

Human Rights group lost their meaning (if they had any) and become corrupted groups working for West, hiding and ignoring their crimes while creating fake crimes to blame East. Where's the honor gone... i don't know.

Neroism and Khalism my options.

Написао Sheba, 06.10.2015 at 20:34

I'm none of the above, I'm a fascist, and in this post, I will explain why.

Despite the bullshit that Tito spews saying that I'm an evilnazithatwantsotkill6millionjews, this couldn't more incorrect.

I am a fascist because:

1.) I believe Democracy is a flawed system that can never be fixed.
•Democracy destroys the unity of the people since it creates factionalism.
•Democracy turns millions of alien groups into citizens, thus carelessly destroying the ancient ethnic make-up of a nation.
•Democracy is incapable of enduring effort and responsibility because by design it inherently leads to an unending change in leadership over short period of time. A leader or party works to improve the nation with a specific plan, but only rules for a few years before being replaced by a new one with a new plan, who largely if not completely disregard the old one. Thus little is achieved and the nation is harmed.
•Democracy lacks authority since it does not give a leader the power he needs to accomplish his duties to the nation and turns him into a slave of his selfish political supporters.
•Democracy is manipulated by financiers and bankers, since most parties are dependent on their funding and are thus influenced by them.
•Democracy does not guarantee the election of virtuous leaders, since the majority of politicians are either demagogues or corrupt and the masses of common people usually are not capable or knowledgeable enough to elect good men.

2.) I believe the government should protect the people.
Fascist ideology's goal is to protect the people from degeneracy, greed, violence, and Marxist materialism, as for rights and personal liberties, much is tolerated, but first a man must ask himself this:
"Is what I'm doing harming my nation, people, or country? Is what I'm doing benefiting the collective whole of society? Would my benefactors approve of this?" If the answer is no to any one of those, it is probably not going to be allowed, and therefore, shouldn't even be allowed in the first place. Fascists believe that the government should instill national values and promote collective solidarity among it's population. As a result of the corrupt system we have now, we can see the bitter effects. Promotion of degenerate culture, (sex) self-harming substances, (drugs), alcohol abuse, inter-racial violence, and self-harm. In National Socialist Germany, the government fought against all these things, and even had massive programs created to fight against drugs and alcohol.

3.) Fascist ideology has worked in the past.
One key reason for this mass support of the people is due to the fact that National Socialism lifted the entire nation out of the worst
economic depressions known in history. This was accomplished primarily by breaking the stranglehold the Jews and the international banksters had on the German economy and the mass poverty, unemployment, and rampant violence and degeneracy. As we are now entering a new economic depression which will probably be much worse than the one in the 1930s, we can look to National Socialism to lift us out of it using the same principles as our National Socialist predecessors used so successfully! Adolf Hitler and National Socialism pulled Germany and
her people out of the depression by creating meaningful jobs for them. They also went the extra mile and made life a true joy for
their people! Hitler loved and cared deeply for the average person. One practical way to make the life of an average worker better was to put the
ownership of an automobile within their range. To do this Hitler and the National Socialists helped design the Peoples' Car or Volkswagen. He also arranged the "Joy through Unity" program, which was a mass leisure program for making the people happy and rewarding them for their effort towards forwarding the state. Since Hitler and the Nazi leaders were real leaders and not politicians the interests of the people really did come first! How different that is to our current sad situation with the serving cowardly politicians who make up the mainstream political parties around the world! Not only did National Socialism in Germany protect the average person from greedy politicians and swindlers, it also protected Nature, the environment and animals.

4.) I believe each race and culture is unique and should be preserved, as fascists actually did, instead of the blatant lie that they believed anyone with blonde hair and blue eyes are "superior."
National Socialism is a Nature and reason based political philosophy that Adolf Hitler created. It was first applied in Germany; however, it can be applied by anyone who believes in doing what is best for their own people. There are currently Japanese National Socialists and during WWII there were Arabs and other racial minorities who joined the ranks of the SS to do battle against the two headed monster of Communism/Capitalism. Never in Mein Kampf, any fundamental fascist text, or in any speeches or documents did Adolf Hitler or any nazi figure claim that whites were superior, nor did they ever claim other races should be exterminated.
National Socialism looks at things as they really are. For this reason National Socialists do not buy into the big lie that all people and races are equal and the same. Common sense tells us that there are obvious real physical differences and history shows us there are fundamental differences between the races that drive the White Race to be the most advanced and progress producing race on earth. For centuries people knew this simply by observation, before their natural thinking was distorted by revealed religion, governmental dictates, media manipulation and political opportunists. For example, though the Asians are generally highly intelligent, they do not have the spark for discovery and exploration that is unique to the Aryan (White)Race. This Aryan Spark has driven the White Race to explore and to always want to know what's on the other side of the mountain, what's across the ocean and even what's in outer space. Also, it's an historic fact that when the Whites did cross the Atlantic Ocean and discovered North America, the natives were living in the Stone Age with actual stone arrow heads and tomahawks and did not even have a written language. If all races are the same and equal in ability, why didn't the Chinese cross the oceans and why were the natives of North America living in the Stone Age? And why has it become taboo to openly speak of these racial realities? As science makes more progress we are learning the importance of DNA and genetics. DNA can be compared to the code that makes up computer programs. A minute difference in the code causes great differences in the end product of a computer program. The same is true with genetics and DNA. The relatively small differences between the genetic code of the different races makes a world of difference in the final product as can be seen in the appearance between a Black and a White, as just one example. As to the often believed falsehood that Hitler wanted Germany to take over the world, in his book Mein Kampf, Hitler said the White Race, not Germany, should and does rule the world. Of course, in our day and age, the White Race is in retreat around the globe and is in real danger of dying out. On a global scale, the White Race is a true racial minority and is shrinking in numbers every day.National Socialism is based on love of your people. It does not call for the murder of anyone who does not have blond hair and blue eyes. Hitler himself did not have blond hair. It would be odd for someone to start a political philosophy that called for their own death! There is no documentation; no speech, or interview which has ever said anything of the sort, and a quick look at Mein Kampf would say otherwise of the propaganda and lies we have been force-fed. Hitler did not believe the white race should be the only one, instead, he believed races should be separated so that they could flourish with their own kind, promoting their own interests and culture instead of destroying itself as we see in today's world, inter-racial violence has exploded around the world as a result of this, an example would be the genocide in Armenia or the violence in the Northeastern United States.

5.) The Holocaust did not happen.
If National Socialists had killed six million innocent Jews, then neither you nor anyone else should support National Socialism. However, there is much evidence that demonstrates the much told and believed but rarely questioned story of "the Holocaust" NEVER happened. You owe it to yourself to examine the claims made by proponents of the Holocaust to see if they are valid. If you find they are not valid, you owe it to yourself and to truth itself to reject those claims and to warn others of the lie. If the claims made by those who say the Holocaust really did happen prove to be true, then National Socialism should cease to exist and those who openly question the Holocaust should be openly debated to demonstrate the truth of the claims of those who say the Holocaust is an historical fact.
A major reason many people doubt the claims of the Holocaust is that 13 countries currently make it illegal to even question the claims of the Holocaust! If the Holocaust really happened, there would be no reason to make it illegal to question it. In fact, those who "knew" it really happened would welcome the chance to publicly debate those who deny it. This is not the case. Instead, those who promote the belief that the Holocaust did happen want to put those individuals who dare to openly disagree with them in prison! This is exactly what happened in the Inquisition. When Galileo said Copernicus was correct, the earth is not the center of the universe, the Church put him in prison for questioning the "facts" of scripture. Today, people are put in prison for questioning the "facts" of the Holocaust! Looking at just one claim made by those who promote the story of the Holocaust, let's look at statements made on the official Auschwitz Museum site. Auschwitz is said to have been the biggest "death camp" that the Nazis operated. At the official site of Auschwitz we are told that "340 corpses could be burned every 24 hours after the installation of the three furnaces." If you do the math, that breaks down to a little more than 113 per oven per day or
almost five per hour. However, using coal or coke to cremate bodies as was used prior to the 1960s, it would take about four hours to cremate just one body. That means only six bodies could be cremated in one 24 hour period 6 per oven, not 113. Even with today's modern means of cremating bodies using natural gas or propane, it still takes about 2 hours to cremate just one body. The Holocaust just doesn't add up.
It has been said by even the Auschwitz Museum Director on tape that the Gas chambers were nothing more than Soviet fabrications; ordered by Joseph Stalin to demonize the Nazis, while the "showers" were, indeed showers, but used after heads were shaved to rid the inmates of lice, which was rampant at the time. The death toll at Auschwitz has, and continues to make a dramatic fall, after much evidence confirms that 2.5 million people did not die, the generally accepted statistic is still 12 million, regardless of number changes.
A wonderful example of a video that argues against these claims and many, many more can be reached by clicking on this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb-dN98VfDk. There are also numerous sources and informational pages on the internet.
These lies by the Soviets only further our cause, and shows how deceitful these people can be, an example of these would be the Katyn Massacre, where 22,000 innocent Poles were killed by the Soviets in their invasion of Poland, and attempted to pin the blame on the Germans, these lies only try to demonize the Axis to defend their own atrocities and war crimes such as Napalm bombings of Japan, atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and bombing of innocent Germans in all of the Reich especially in cities such as Dresden.
These lies, coupled with mass repression of Holocaust revisionism just show something is up. The Leucher Report, a scientific document by American Execution Technician Fred A. Leuchter, confirms there was no presence of Zyklon B in the Auschwitz gas chambers, (a quick Google Search of the Leuchter Report will show much) but instead he, and his client were sent to prison for Holocaust denial, while the report was extremely repressed, never acknowledged, and hidden away and buried in secret.
When I was in seventh grade our class spent an entire week studying "the Holocaust". One of the things we were "taught" is that the Nazis were so barbaric that they used dead Jews to make soap. This was preached far and wide by the professional Holocaust "survivors". Now, however, we are told by Jews themselves that this never happened! If it wasn't for people openly questioning the Holocaust, which is currently a criminal offense in 13 countries, this lie would still be believed. What other lies are yet to be uncovered about the so-called "Holocaust"? Truth must be heard, even if it upsets the status quo. And if a prison sentence hangs over the heads of researchers and historians, how can we expect them to report the truth?
Since the topic of "the Holocaust" is so large, please visit www.ihr.org and http://www.zundelsite.org/ for more information.


You owe it to yourself to make your own decisions and try to see things from the other side.
http://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/
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After reading all of this, I must say I am very disapointed with you, as a friend.


I cannot believe someone with your intelligence is becoming a wannabe superior like the clan you represent, (Aetius claims to be germanic and claims to know europe better than europeans himself, and Pyrrhus is communist), and I can't believe what I just read.

Personally I dont disagree entirely with Fascism, it's not a very bad doctrine, infact we can see it with Mussolini and his Fascism, the only entirely fascist state, and yes, it was the only entirely fascist state, because National Socialism is not fascism entirely, Franco applied te National Syndicalism, Salazar a religious version of Fascism and Antonescu just went authoritarian..
You cannot possibly say that the Holocaust didn't exist, and that those number of people who fell in the Holocaust didn't die, they might have not been 6 million, which I wouldn't be surprised if the number was lower, but you cant deny the fact Holocaust existed, and at least not denying it existed and saying the Soviets built them to demonize nazis.
May I recall you that Patton was the first Allies' commander to find a concentration camp at it's "glory" (as in built and with bodies and inmates there), and he was coming from the west, far far away from whete Zhukov and the Soviets were, so I disagree entirely with you, Holocaust did exist, maybe not at the proportions everyone say today, but it existed. May I recall you a north-german citizen is being trialed for his crimes that he confessed in Auschwitz? (He's not being trialed by Jews tho)


Also, never mix National Socialism with Fascism, Fascism never promoted racism, National Socialism did.
Hitler made all those programs and all, yet, he was corrupt (he lived in total luxury at the expenses of the german state) and his leaders had an history of mental diseases and depravation (Goering and Himmel).

Написао Al Fappino, 10.10.2015 at 05:44

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As I have once said to Tunder3, the freedom of opinion and expression is the core, foundation, and central tenet of all my political beliefs.

I cannot in sound mind support any legislation that runs contrary to that principle. That is why I absolutely abhor fascism and all its derivatives.

Написао International, 10.10.2015 at 07:18

As I have once said to Tunder3, the freedom of opinion and expression is the core, foundation, and central tenet of all my political beliefs.

I cannot in sound mind support any legislation that runs contrary to that principle. That is why I absolutely abhor fascism and all its derivatives.

I agree for 'freedom of opinion' (it is impossible to change people's opinion anyway... i guess... except brainwashing..) but i want to ask you what you mean by 'freedom of expression'? Does that mean people can insult each other because that's freedom, or should they be sanctioned/punished for that? For example, media use 'freedom' to report how President went to visit China, while in fact he is in Germany with his family as tourists. Should media be sanctioned for reporting lies, false information or leave it as it is because 'freedom of expression'? (notice how i used soft example, not serious example where false information caused by freedom can harm people)

Zizouism only true form....

Написао Helly, 10.10.2015 at 15:53

Zizouism only true form....

NEROISM NAD KHALISM ARE BETTER

Pretty much, Fappinism is the best, freedom of speech, freedom of opinion, legalized porn, free healthcare for all, vote Fappy!

Написао Kromn, 10.10.2015 at 16:29

Написао Helly, 10.10.2015 at 15:53

Zizouism only true form....

NEROISM NAD KHALISM ARE BETTER

Just Neroism, Khal needs to train his dragons better. I suggest watching "How to Train your Dragon"

Написао Al Fappino, 11.10.2015 at 12:37

Pretty much, Fappinism is the best, freedom of speech, freedom of opinion, legalized porn, free healthcare for all, vote Fappy!

i as member and founder of Arpism and SADPA will never support fappinism,its rp.

Написао Kromn, 11.10.2015 at 12:50

Написао Al Fappino, 11.10.2015 at 12:37

Pretty much, Fappinism is the best, freedom of speech, freedom of opinion, legalized porn, free healthcare for all, vote Fappy!

i as member and founder of Arpism and SADPA will never support fappinism,its rp.

You just lack the followers now, and just need to erradicate autism, (you)

Написао Al Fappino, 11.10.2015 at 13:46

Написао Kromn, 11.10.2015 at 12:50

Написао Al Fappino, 11.10.2015 at 12:37

Pretty much, Fappinism is the best, freedom of speech, freedom of opinion, legalized porn, free healthcare for all, vote Fappy!

i as member and founder of Arpism and SADPA will never support fappinism,its rp.

You just lack the followers now, and just need to erradicate autism, (you)

stop or i will send you waffles thumbup....

Написао Kromn, 11.10.2015 at 15:26

Написао Al Fappino, 11.10.2015 at 13:46

Написао Kromn, 11.10.2015 at 12:50

Написао Al Fappino, 11.10.2015 at 12:37

Pretty much, Fappinism is the best, freedom of speech, freedom of opinion, legalized porn, free healthcare for all, vote Fappy!

i as member and founder of Arpism and SADPA will never support fappinism,its rp.

You just lack the followers now, and just need to erradicate autism, (you)

stop or i will send you waffles thumbup....

Bring them on Bosnian

Написао Skanderbeg, 10.10.2015 at 12:27

I agree for 'freedom of opinion' (it is impossible to change people's opinion anyway... i guess... except brainwashing..) but i want to ask you what you mean by 'freedom of expression'? Does that mean people can insult each other because that's freedom, or should they be sanctioned/punished for that?

It depends on the situation. If you think I'm a horrible person that deserves to die, for example, you have the right to express that opinion. I fully endorse that.

Of course, actually killing me, denying me actual opportunities, and such just because you don't like me is going beyond simple "expression," and of course that should be banned.

Написао Skanderbeg, 10.10.2015 at 12:27

For example, media use 'freedom' to report how President went to visit China, while in fact he is in Germany with his family as tourists. Should media be sanctioned for reporting lies, false information or leave it as it is because 'freedom of expression'? (notice how i used soft example, not serious example where false information caused by freedom can harm people)

No, they should not be sanctioned. Of course that is the freedom of expression. The audience have the right to judge themselves, without somebody telling them what's "right," which version of the story has more evidence backing it.

Написао International, 12.10.2015 at 08:18

No, they should not be sanctioned. Of course that is the freedom of expression. The audience have the right to judge themselves, without somebody telling them what's "right," which version of the story has more evidence backing it.

So if western media tell false informations to its people, for example, Putin shot down MH17, Russian invasion of Ukraine, Russia will soon invade Europe, and western population use their freedom and right to judge, and they judge it's true, and then make decision on their belief drawn out by false information, for example decision to use force preemtive invasion of Russia before Russia invade Europe, does that mean Western population will be guilty for that war?

Написао Goblin, 12.10.2015 at 14:54

you are the best lmao

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Написао Tirpitz406, 08.10.2015 at 15:47

Greece is an irrelevant state

A country with a history as rich as Greece's will never be irrelevant

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Написао Goblin, 12.10.2015 at 14:54

You watch it too?

Написао Cold Case, 13.10.2015 at 07:48

You watch it too?

When i started watchin i watched 3 seasons episode after an episode... was one of my favorite shows. Then they found the prison and i slowly started to hate every damn character in the show. I dont watch it any more, because xcept for Rick i cheered that they all drop dead. :/

btw. i recommend to everyone a tv show called "the 100" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2661044/

First 3 episodes you will feel like you are watching a teenage drama crap... but then a 9 year old girl stabs a guy in the throat and shit only gets more brutal.

Написао Goblin, 13.10.2015 at 08:49

Написао Cold Case, 13.10.2015 at 07:48

You watch it too?

When i started watchin i watched 3 seasons episode after an episode... was one of my favorite shows. Then they found the prison and i slowly started to hate every damn character in the show. I dont watch it any more, because xcept for Rick i cheered that they all drop dead. :/

btw. i recommend to everyone a tv show called "the 100" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2661044/

First 3 episodes you will feel like you are watching a teenage drama crap... but then a 9 year old girl stabs a guy in the throat and shit only gets more brutal.

1. what is the name of that shows, shown in the pictures above?

2. 100 seriously goblin wtf? this show was so bad it hurts. post/apocalyptic tv show for pokemon kids. i prefer to watch goship girl again than watch this excuse of a show.

Написао Goblin, 13.10.2015 at 08:49

Написао Cold Case, 13.10.2015 at 07:48

You watch it too?

When i started watchin i watched 3 seasons episode after an episode... was one of my favorite shows. Then they found the prison and i slowly started to hate every damn character in the show. I dont watch it any more, because xcept for Rick i cheered that they all drop dead. :/

I stopped watching after they killed the governor since he was my favorite character