Who would win in a war? India and u.s or china and paki

Написао Free_Warrior, 30.08.2016 at 08:21

Написао Oleg, 30.08.2016 at 08:19

Написао Free_Warrior, 30.08.2016 at 08:17

You can see slave camps from google maps or google earth lol.Also thousands of north koreans who survived that and went as refugees in the south korea told it.North Korean citizens are the brainwashed one.Their TV says Kim.Jong Il was borned in a volcan.

And you again weren't in those camps yourself...

No but if you are staying with North Korean government great.
Slave camps exist you have a lot of proofs.

and is there a real proof that isnt propaganda material?

Написао Oleg, 30.08.2016 at 08:24

Написао Free_Warrior, 30.08.2016 at 08:21

Написао Oleg, 30.08.2016 at 08:19

Написао Free_Warrior, 30.08.2016 at 08:17

You can see slave camps from google maps or google earth lol.Also thousands of north koreans who survived that and went as refugees in the south korea told it.North Korean citizens are the brainwashed one.Their TV says Kim.Jong Il was borned in a volcan.

And you again weren't in those camps yourself...

No but if you are staying with North Korean government great.
Slave camps exist you have a lot of proofs.

and is there a real proof that isnt propaganda material?

Please defense of North Korean government is the worst idea you would ever have.I dont think 3000 people would lie having injuries both physical and psychological,...

Написао Free_Warrior, 30.08.2016 at 08:28

Написао Oleg, 30.08.2016 at 08:24

Написао Free_Warrior, 30.08.2016 at 08:21

Написао Oleg, 30.08.2016 at 08:19

Написао Free_Warrior, 30.08.2016 at 08:17

You can see slave camps from google maps or google earth lol.Also thousands of north koreans who survived that and went as refugees in the south korea told it.North Korean citizens are the brainwashed one.Their TV says Kim.Jong Il was borned in a volcan.

And you again weren't in those camps yourself...

No but if you are staying with North Korean government great.
Slave camps exist you have a lot of proofs.

and is there a real proof that isnt propaganda material?

Please defense of North Korean government is the worst idea you would ever have.I dont think 3000 people would lie having injuries both physical and psychological,...

they are all immortal they cannot have any injures thats all propaganda.

Написао Oleg, 30.08.2016 at 08:17

Написао Darth., 30.08.2016 at 07:54

Написао Oleg, 30.08.2016 at 07:29

China and paki ez win.
India is poor as fuck, people in india are as poor as africans, if not more....

Says the serb

Indian GDP per capita: 6,020$
Serbian GDP per capita: 13.482$
I think that i can say that.

Serbia Population 7.1 million
Mumbai population alone 21.6 million

Serbia Economy $100.18 billion PPP
India economy $8.7 trillion PPP (3rd largest)

Per capita is less because of massive population, which equals massive workforce and combined with young demography = serious economic growth by 2025. India is entering its demographic window (that period of time when economic growth is highest and population youngest). Meanwhile China exited it in 2013, and west and japan are already in decline with ageing populations...

Besides this thread is about who would win in a war...Compare Serbia with India then And in case you're talking about how Russia will help you; 1. India and Russia are good defence allies; 2. Russia cannot war India anyways because of threatened US and China.

EDIT: Also:

Nice increasing to $14k Even with growth over the years right now it is around $5.3k

Написао Darth., 30.08.2016 at 08:41

EDIT: Also:

you dont know the difference between between nominal and PPP?
Thats nominal gdp per capita, indian nominal is 1800.
BTW itz interesting that you were using PPP for comparing economies, but then ss-ed nominal gdp per capita.

Написао Free_Warrior, 30.08.2016 at 08:19

Написао Black Swans, 30.08.2016 at 08:01

Uhm you aren't looking it from real perspective.
There would be no winner, 4 nuclear powers fighting, as soon as one would start loosing few red buttons would be pressed, and we all would be screwed up.

Tbh with a pair of radars and anti nuclear missle the thing is solved.

uhm not really, when radiation and nuclear winter comes, you are fucked up anyways

Написао Free_Warrior, 30.08.2016 at 08:15

Написао Oleg, 30.08.2016 at 07:29

China and paki ez win.
India is poor as fuck, people in india are as poor as africans, if not more....

Darth ALL THE FUCKING WORLD SAYS WHAT INDIA IS POOR ACCEPT IT

India isn't that poor. It just has a high percentage of people living in poverty, you're stereotyping right now.

India has the 3rd largest number of billionaires behind China and USA.

Indias GDP is the 7th largest in the world.

I'm not saying it's as strong as China by a long shot, but it would be impossible to invade for any country right now.

Pavle India maybe having low per capita (not denying it), but standard of living doesn't mean shit when it comes to a war which is the point of this thread. What matters is the wealth of a country as a whole and not as an individual and it's military. Look at it from a macroeconomic point of view not a microeconomic one.

India's economy is strong, robust and growing fast, to paraphrase a World Bank report. It can support a war. Pakistan's can't. Pakistan doesn't produce much oil and their oil reserves are pretty less, and blockading Karachi like in 1971 = a quick surrender die to oil shortages. On 1971 they had enough oil for just 3 weeks.

China has a better military than India but not by much. In case you're going to say I'm just bumping India, refer to the Global Firepower Index which takes into account the economy, and conventional military forces of a country as well as merchant fleet. In a modern war, terrain matters. If China invades India it has to come through the Himalayas by land. In winter, those passes close up with snow so they'll be heavily reliant on air which can be intercepted. Plus the mountainous region makes invasion a difficult prospect in and of itself. India has experience with mountain warfare (see: Siachen Glacier: World's highest battleground) China doesn't.
For China to invade by sea they have to come either through the Strait of Malacca which is narrow af and can be easily mined and blockaded via Indian bases in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands,which means the Chinese either lose ships and subs trying to break through, or go further downwards through Indonesian waters. Doubtful if Indonesia will give permission for that.

China and Pakistan ez win...so basically you're basing all that off of how much an Indian citizen makes rather than by terrain, national economy as a whole, and standing military. China and India both have 4 million plus soldiers. Pakistan is dependent on foreign help (Chinese) for its ships and planes and tanks while India is a mix of indigenous and foreign (Russian, French, US) systems which are being replaced with indigenous ones. But that doesn't matter

I also notice you imply Pakistan has a better standard of living that India....

Also, China is basically a 1 party state and things get done quicker there at the cost of personal freedoms. India however has personal liberty as the world's largest democracy at the cost of quick decision making. I'd rather live in a bureaucracy rather than a communist state.

People seem to have forgotten the point of this thread and are going on about slave camps and shit. The point was in a India and US alliance Vs Pakistan and China alliance who would win (if the nukes didn't fly). I'll put it simply. US > China and India > Pakistan while China slightly > India which won't mean shit once it's being attacked on the Pacific front by American/Japanese forces and facing NATO sanctions.
Tbh with Pakistan putting nuke codes in the hands of battlefield commanders, I don't have much faith that tactical nukes won't start flying like candy.

Serbias GDPPC is 5,000
Indias is 2,000
World GDPPC for developed and rich countries start at 12,000
This mean neither Serbia or India is rich or developed, Darth and Pavle.
Neither Russia have 12,000 per capita currently after oil crisis and sanctions
China is close with 8,000 but still need few years to close the gap
West's per capita is 40,000 average, which mean they are far from the minimum limit

This is observation through capitalist lens, where money counts, not to be confused with human development or public services like plumbing, power stations, infrastructure.

Написао Darth., 30.08.2016 at 11:08

Pavle India maybe having low per capita (not denying it), but standard of living doesn't mean shit when it comes to a war which is the point of this thread. What matters is the wealth of a country as a whole and not as an individual and it's military. Look at it from a macroeconomic point of view not a microeconomic one.

India's economy is strong, robust and growing fast, to paraphrase a World Bank report. It can support a war. Pakistan's can't. Pakistan doesn't produce much oil and their oil reserves are pretty less, and blockading Karachi like in 1971 = a quick surrender die to oil shortages. On 1971 they had enough oil for just 3 weeks.

China has a better military than India but not by much. In case you're going to say I'm just bumping India, refer to the Global Firepower Index which takes into account the economy, and conventional military forces of a country as well as merchant fleet. In a modern war, terrain matters. If China invades India it has to come through the Himalayas by land. In winter, those passes close up with snow so they'll be heavily reliant on air which can be intercepted. Plus the mountainous region makes invasion a difficult prospect in and of itself. India has experience with mountain warfare (see: Siachen Glacier: World's highest battleground) China doesn't.
For China to invade by sea they have to come either through the Strait of Malacca which is narrow af and can be easily mined and blockaded via Indian bases in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands,which means the Chinese either lose ships and subs trying to break through, or go further downwards through Indonesian waters. Doubtful if Indonesia will give permission for that.

China and Pakistan ez win...so basically you're basing all that off of how much an Indian citizen makes rather than by terrain, national economy as a whole, and standing military. China and India both have 4 million plus soldiers. Pakistan is dependent on foreign help (Chinese) for its ships and planes and tanks while India is a mix of indigenous and foreign (Russian, French, US) systems which are being replaced with indigenous ones. But that doesn't matter

I also notice you imply Pakistan has a better standard of living that India....

Also, China is basically a 1 party state and things get done quicker there at the cost of personal freedoms. India however has personal liberty as the world's largest democracy at the cost of quick decision making. I'd rather live in a bureaucracy rather than a communist state.

People seem to have forgotten the point of this thread and are going on about slave camps and shit. The point was in a India and US alliance Vs Pakistan and China alliance who would win (if the nukes didn't fly). I'll put it simply. US > China and India > Pakistan while China slightly > India which won't mean shit once it's being attacked on the Pacific front by American/Japanese forces and facing NATO sanctions.
Tbh with Pakistan putting nuke codes in the hands of battlefield commanders, I don't have much faith that tactical nukes won't start flying like candy.

im just bored so i decided to troll one nationalist xd
to be real on a sec, if that war would happen, loser would nuke the other one, then the other one would nuke loser and gg world....

India and Paki nuke each other, USA hunts down and destroys China's nukes, and then nukes China

GG

Написао Skanderbeg, 30.08.2016 at 11:19

Serbias GDPPC is 5,000
Indias is 2,000
World GDPPC for developed and rich countries start at 12,000
This mean neither Serbia or India is rich or developed, Darth and Pavle.
Neither Russia have 12,000 per capita currently after oil crisis and sanctions
China is close with 8,000 but still need few years to close the gap
West's per capita is 40,000 average, which mean they are far from the minimum limit

This is observation through capitalist lens, where money counts, not to be confused with human development or public services like plumbing, power stations, infrastructure.

I never said India is rich. BTW India is a newly developed and newly industrialized country. Not well established as one, but not developing either. It's not me saying it, it's the UN.
I also said it's not at the level of Africa which is what those idiots were comparing it to. India as a whole country is (moderately) rich but individually because of population, per capita income is low.
Again per capita income of countries doesn't matter one iota in this thread because we are talking about the war making capability of a country where US < China which is slightly < India which is < Pakistan.

Написао Black Swans, 30.08.2016 at 09:44

Написао Free_Warrior, 30.08.2016 at 08:19

Написао Black Swans, 30.08.2016 at 08:01

Uhm you aren't looking it from real perspective.
There would be no winner, 4 nuclear powers fighting, as soon as one would start loosing few red buttons would be pressed, and we all would be screwed up.

Tbh with a pair of radars and anti nuclear missle the thing is solved.

uhm not really, when radiation and nuclear winter comes, you are fucked up anyways

Well probably some nukes would be launched and a pair of cities will say goodbye.However I hope ww3 won't suceed at this century and instead of it in my opinion sadly they will continue destroying small countries to see who is the stronger.

Okay outside the rich downtown where live Darth I will show you the real India:

Downtown Mumbai like 5% of all the city

Just like 1 minute exiting from the downtown you have Dharavi the biggest Asian slum even Karachi slums are smaller.2 million people live here.


Normal Mumbai Street

Another slum (not Dharavi)
I found this video in spanish btw the pictures are very clear the life in the richest city of India:

Outside Mumbai:
Statistics of NGOs and United Nations:
2014: at least 32,9% of all the EXTREME POOR PEOPLE OF ALL THE WORLD live in India.
The number of extreme poor people in the world was 1200 millions.So at least 400 million of Indians are extremely poor.
Low infant mortality rate? LMAO 1,4 million of children died in india in 2012 before having 5 years.
India has the biggest army of poor people of all the world and I hope in future they can solve it but today it's poor.

New Delhi
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Monrovia, Liberia




Kolkata Image:



If this are the REAL pictures of normal city where live most of the population you could imagine the rest of India.

Написао Viruslegion, 30.08.2016 at 11:58

India and Paki nuke each other, USA hunts down and destroys China's nukes, and then nukes China

GG

Nice
But US can't destroy China's nukes. Not many of them have been put on missiles. They're mostly underground in what is being called China's Underground Great Wall. A massive series of fortified bunkers and tunnels, all connected to each other where China nuclear arsenal is stored and constantly moved around.

Also Pakistan can't nuke India. It doesn't have the range. It can nuke Northern India, maybe even Delhi if it's lucky with missiles (Delhi has a missile shield though). After that though, they need planes and ships and subs...and that technology is either non-existent or very very short range. Pakistan's nuclear deterrent is less destroying cities, and more destroying military formations as they march while invading them.
Meanwhile, India has ICBMs derived from ISRO's satellite launching rockets.

In the 1999 Kargil war, Pakistan actually threatened to nuke India provoking an International condemnation. Turns out, even if they wanted to, they couldn't. They had the bombs (low yield ones) but no missiles or even dedicated vehicles to haul them around. They just used standard unarmored army trucks to move them to the border.

Darth is avoiding the real facts of the real situation of their country.

Написао Free_Warrior, 30.08.2016 at 13:14

I'm not even going to comment on the pictures. You probably went after the worst pictures to show India, and the best possible pictures to represent other countries. Those might be actual places but you're ignoring the good the government is doing, the number of people pulled out of poverty, the jump in the literacy rate. You seem to be stereotyping not because it's your opinion, but because you like the attention. It seems to be your character. You're actually saying India is worse off than Africa and Pakistan. You're retarded man. That's the only thing I can say. If you're the product of the Spanish Education system, then I feel sorry for your country. Seems like being from the west is indicative of only privilege, not intelligence or rationality.

Now you say 400 million poor, before you were saying 600 million. Make up your mind man. Course it also shows how wrong you are. Facts don't change, and yet you changed it from 600 million to 400 million? Looks like you think you make the facts.

Also keep in mind that India is just 70 years old and already has a better economy than Spain a country that was the second empire on which the sun never set (first being Portugal and Britain third)
Your economy is in the negative growth, government debt in 2013 was 94% of GDP and it's just half the size of the Indian one... The reason per capita is so high for you is a small population achieved because of the Black Death, other plagues and various wars of colonialism, not to mention WW1 and 2.

Написао Darth., 30.08.2016 at 13:36

Написао Free_Warrior, 30.08.2016 at 13:14

I'm not even going to comment on the pictures. You probably went after the worst pictures to show India, and the best possible pictures to represent other countries. Those might be actual places but you're ignoring the good the government is doing, the number of people pulled out of poverty, the jump in the literacy rate. You seem to be stereotyping not because it's your opinion, but because you like the attention. It seems to be your character. You're actually saying India is worse off than Africa and Pakistan. You're retarded man. That's the only thing I can say. If you're the product of the Spanish Education system, then I feel sorry for your country. Seems like being from the west is indicative of only privilege, not intelligence or rationality.

Now you say 400 million poor, before you were saying 600 million. Make up your mind man. Course it also shows how wrong you are. Facts don't change, and yet you changed it from 600 million to 400 million? Looks like you think you make the facts.

Also keep in mind that India is just 70 years old and began globalization just 25 years ago.

400 million of extreme poor add the poor people to that.If you can't read extreme poverty you're blind. Extreme poverty: people who live with less than 1.25$ per day, Poverty: life with less than 2$.
All people who travel to India know India is poor and corrupt.Even the basic rights of women and children are abused. You say your country is great well it's like live in Sub Saharian Africa.Travel to Dharavi which is like few minutes from downtown Mumbai.This pictures are on google images when you search kolkata, mumbai or new delhi.Grow up and stop seeing all in Rainbow Glasses.

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Написао Free_Warrior, 30.08.2016 at 13:44

400 million of extreme poor add the poor people to that.If you can't read extreme poverty you're blind. Extreme poverty: people who live with less than 1.25$ per day, Poverty: life with less than 2$.
All people who travel to India know India is poor and corrupt.Even the basic rights of women and children are abused. You say your country is great well it's like live in Sub Saharian Africa.Travel to Dharavi which is like few minutes from downtown Mumbai.This pictures are on google images when you search kolkata, mumbai or new delhi.Grow up and stop seeing all in Rainbow Glasses.

How the Fuck is India poor if it's economy is 7th largest nominally and 3rd largest by PPP?? You call India poor but instead of looking at National income you focus on the individual income of 18-20% of the population with that amount decreasing every year.

Like living in the Sub-Saharan? Dude I can't have a debate with you if you're that moronic.

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Написао Darth., 30.08.2016 at 13:50

Написао Free_Warrior, 30.08.2016 at 13:44

400 million of extreme poor add the poor people to that.If you can't read extreme poverty you're blind. Extreme poverty: people who live with less than 1.25$ per day, Poverty: life with less than 2$.
All people who travel to India know India is poor and corrupt.Even the basic rights of women and children are abused. You say your country is great well it's like live in Sub Saharian Africa.Travel to Dharavi which is like few minutes from downtown Mumbai.This pictures are on google images when you search kolkata, mumbai or new delhi.Grow up and stop seeing all in Rainbow Glasses.

How the Fuck is India poor if it's economy is 7th largest nominally and 3rd largest by PPP?? You call India poor but instead of looking at National income you focus on the individual income of 18-20% of the population with that amount decreasing every year.

Like living in the Sub-Saharan? Dude I can't have a debate with you if you're that moronic.

You are comparing Barcelona and Madrid to shitty Indian slums literally cause the slums have no water conducts system doesnt work with all the types of poverty and imaginable things.
The GDP is the amount of money the economy produces.It should be seen with factors like population.India has 1.2 billion people and 15 millions more every year.In future India would be poorer and worser because there is no land to keep all that people.Indian birth rate is like in Africa.The GDP per capita is 9000$ if its adaptated to the currency of India.But the reality people in the best of cases win 3000$ per year not 9000$. India has a middle age system where in the reality the poor cant achieve rich class.It was outlawed but in practice it is still where.
India has the third part of all the poor people of the world and you compares Spain with universal health system minimum salary of 700$ to India?
Your GDP comparation is moron.If you compare like that Luxembourg has worser life quality than Nigeria.You need to see the GDP per capita the population growth and the reality and after you can compare.

Darth I am afraid that you never been in that bad parts, and I kinda understand you, you probably live in middle class or higher middle class part and your parents are living probably better than average parents on west, that may be due to their inteligence, coruption or caste, I can't tell.

GDP per capita and ppp is what matters. Yeah your gdp per capita is going to rise, but how, and what price you will have to pay ? China is running out of drinking water. Middle east is getting warmer and warmer, at one point it will be impossible to live there, I think that some percentage of middle east will come to India and Pakistan, alredy overcrowded places, and europeans will feel need to protect "their" europe

Написао Free_Warrior, 30.08.2016 at 13:14

New Delhi
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Monrovia, Liberia

I don't really see what's the problem here, normal buildings...

Написао Skanderbeg, 31.08.2016 at 08:20

Написао Free_Warrior, 30.08.2016 at 13:14

New Delhi
VS

Monrovia, Liberia

I don't really see what's the problem here, normal buildings...

That buildings aren't middle class or rich buildings they are poor buildings in the downtown.Also you can look what there are no traffic lights and the people crosses in anyplace.

Написао Free_Warrior, 31.08.2016 at 08:56

That buildings aren't middle class or rich buildings they are poor buildings in the downtown.

How you know that? Where is the indication that some wealthy doesn't live there, have internet and normal life? What shows that's 'poor' buildings? I don't see any damage, lack of maintance or missing parts. Normal old building..

Написао Free_Warrior, 31.08.2016 at 08:56

Also you can look what there are no traffic lights and the people crosses in anyplace.

Traffic light is for behicles, 'zebras' are for pedestrians to cross. Also we can't see if there is or isn't traffic light because picture shows only one angle of the street. Traffic lights might be in the crossroad center, or hanging.

Написао Skanderbeg, 31.08.2016 at 09:34

Написао Free_Warrior, 31.08.2016 at 08:56

That buildings aren't middle class or rich buildings they are poor buildings in the downtown.

How you know that? Where is the indication that some wealthy doesn't live there, have internet and normal life? What shows that's 'poor' buildings? I don't see any damage, lack of maintance or missing parts. Normal old building..

Написао Free_Warrior, 31.08.2016 at 08:56

Also you can look what there are no traffic lights and the people crosses in anyplace.

Traffic light is for behicles, 'zebras' are for pedestrians to cross. Also we can't see if there is or isn't traffic light because picture shows only one angle of the street. Traffic lights might be in the crossroad center, or hanging.

This is a street view of the same neighbourhood.

Написао Darth., 30.08.2016 at 13:36

Написао Free_Warrior, 30.08.2016 at 13:14

I'm not even going to comment on the pictures. You probably went after the worst pictures to show India, and the best possible pictures to represent other countries. Those might be actual places but you're ignoring the good the government is doing, the number of people pulled out of poverty, the jump in the literacy rate. You seem to be stereotyping not because it's your opinion, but because you like the attention. It seems to be your character. You're actually saying India is worse off than Africa and Pakistan. You're retarded man. That's the only thing I can say. If you're the product of the Spanish Education system, then I feel sorry for your country. Seems like being from the west is indicative of only privilege, not intelligence or rationality.

Now you say 400 million poor, before you were saying 600 million. Make up your mind man. Course it also shows how wrong you are. Facts don't change, and yet you changed it from 600 million to 400 million? Looks like you think you make the facts.

Also keep in mind that India is just 70 years old and already has a better economy than Spain a country that was the second empire on which the sun never set (first being Portugal and Britain third)
Your economy is in the negative growth, government debt in 2013 was 94% of GDP and it's just half the size of the Indian one... The reason per capita is so high for you is a small population achieved because of the Black Death, other plagues and various wars of colonialism, not to mention WW1 and 2.

Real india.

Darth, do you at least poo in loo?

Написао The_Empirezz, 31.08.2016 at 10:31

India is rich and upcoming but alot of people are extremely poor, it will probably get better in the future but for now the fact remains.

Rich? You mean 5 billionaires? And the rest of population? The third part of all the poor are Indians.

Написао Free_Warrior, 31.08.2016 at 11:16

Написао The_Empirezz, 31.08.2016 at 10:31

India is rich and upcoming but alot of people are extremely poor, it will probably get better in the future but for now the fact remains.

Rich? You mean 5 billionaires? And the rest of population? The third part of all the poor are Indians.

India, the country, is rich. Not the people as I said before.

Написао The_Empirezz, 31.08.2016 at 11:57

Написао Free_Warrior, 31.08.2016 at 11:16

Написао The_Empirezz, 31.08.2016 at 10:31

India is rich and upcoming but alot of people are extremely poor, it will probably get better in the future but for now the fact remains.

Rich? You mean 5 billionaires? And the rest of population? The third part of all the poor are Indians.

India, the country, is rich. Not the people as I said before.

India is not rich country, India has potential to be rich, Indians can't get to USA's level in gdp per capita in next 50 years, I can't remember who made this statement I watched it on ted