Why we don't wf in first turn?

We should wf in first turn because it makes at war more fair if someone wf u as well.

Who made that stupid idea anyway?

And this in general discussion forum....

No mate... you are proposing that we start doing something that would cause huge unfair situations even if both players did it...
just to fix a rare occurrence that is only done by either noobs or unaware players... competitive players wont do this and shame their name

and Meester assured that all it takes is a screenshot to remove that kind of game (if competitive like duels or cw's)


furthermore... in my opinion this kind of gaming would be awful, like saying "iny miny miny mo" turn 2 before deciding would you rush? will he defend? ...and even worse, a player failing few battles with an opponent for neutrals turn 1, couldn't possibly come back from it and would lose instantly

Just add a rule in which thats forbidden and everything's good..

Написао Htin, 16.10.2015 at 10:56

Who made that stupid idea anyway?

Players who expirienced the idiotism of it... the old ones, do not doubt their wisdom.

Написао Goblin, 16.10.2015 at 11:03

and Meester assured that all it takes is a screenshot to remove that kind of game (if competitive like duels or cw's)

WHAT? WHY?

What is next? We faking dc's and those "competitive" players forcing a tie?

This type of things shouldn't be regulated. I do hate it, but again this shouldn't be regulated.

What an interesting revelation to have at the ripe old age of r13. It should be pretty self explanatory as to why people dont do it. Like gob said, theres a reason the pioneering players of this game decided upon this unwritten rule.

This is just as bad as rewalling faggots

Написао PleaseMe, 16.10.2015 at 11:50

This is just as bad as rewalling faggots

rewalling can be prevented, wfing cannot

rewalling actually takes skill

Написао clovis1122, 16.10.2015 at 11:38

WHAT? WHY?
What is next? We faking dc's and those "competitive" players forcing a tie?
This type of things shouldn't be regulated. I do hate it, but again this shouldn't be regulated.

What are you ranting about now Clovis?
First you make a fallacious argument, only to oppose a mod action that would fix an unfair outcome and possible frustration for one player

Seriously with all your knowledge of this game... you are still pretty ignorant about some things

Написао Goblin, 16.10.2015 at 12:09

that would fix an unfair outcome and possible frustration for one player

I am against any type of punishment/regulation when the game legally allows you to do it. This is my position not only in regards to 1st turn WFs but also rewall, serbian wall, 1st turn dcs, land shortcuts/passages, etc.

This is not an unfair outcome... you can easy prevent it by making a bigger wall. You can also WF your enemy by yourself

Написао clovis1122, 16.10.2015 at 12:11

This is not an unfair outcome... you can easy prevent it by making a bigger wall. You can also WF your enemy by yourself

Both players wall fucking each other is not an answer ... you can read what i wrote above, under a presumption you do understand English language
As far as legality of this comes... even if they don't make this a rule ever, a player that does this would be quickly marked by others and avoided.

EDIT: forgot... your "easy prevention" would work how long? A month? Week?... probably a day

Look, the first thing you need to stop doing is trying to downgrade me. Nor my English knowledge nor that you call my argument "fallacy" without actually discussing it will lead us to anywhere here.

Second, when it comes to stuff that are not nice but aren't enforced, WF'ing someone 1st turn is the same as rewalling or ending turn when someone dcs. You need to be consistent in all of those topics, and I believe my opinion is consistent and applicable on all of them.

Написао Goblin, 16.10.2015 at 12:16

As far as legality of this comes... even if they don't make this a rule ever, a player that does this would be quickly marked by others and avoided.

That doesn't matter much. Both Steve and Panteri had wf'ed and even attacked following this, but they aren't labeled and avoided as you've said here (I am pretty sure there are more players but can't remember their name). If you think this is a lie, you can by all mean ask them or ask any player who saw when they did so.

But the best part is that this point isn't consistent with the rest of the "things that are not nice yet not enforced". Rewalllers players were labeled for a while and you are right here, however they didn't stopped playing rewallers just because of this "label". Take a look at LP or Acq or Tops or khal or any other who supported and used rewalls in game before.

It is exactly the same thing for ties. If you were winning but your team dc and the opponent declines to tie, the people wouldn't "label and avoid" those players or that clan. Sure, there are some clans who actually did it, but they were a minority compared to the rest of clans who did nothing.

I support an in-game implementation such as making the players start with a wall or any mechanics that prevents you from WF'ing your opponent capital turn 1.

I support any solution that would definitively fix rewall or serbian wall.

I support several mechanics that were suggested, to be done when a player disconnect. This ranges from not ending turn to freeze minutes.

What I don't support and what I am arguing about here is to punish the players for features that aren't implemented.

This has been discussed so many fucking times

YESSSSSS !!!

Another Goblin vs. Clovis thread.....
This is more interesting than Me and Tito.

@Goblin, Clovis told me he would like to rape your family
@Clovis, Goblin told me he wanna kill you cuz you are stupid and black

*Popcorn time*

Написао clovis1122, 16.10.2015 at 12:30

Second, when it comes to stuff that are not nice but aren't enforced, WF'ing someone 1st turn is the same as rewalling or ending turn when someone dcs. You need to be consistent in all of those topics, and I believe my opinion is consistent and applicable on all of them.

Being consistent doesn't make you right... another fallacious argument. You might be consistent at being wrong

Claim that WF1st turn is same as rewalling or ending a turn is your opinion not a fact...
WF 1 st turn not preventable <---- FACT
Rewalling preventable <----- FACT
Conclusion... there is a vital difference that cannot be ignored and your statement is false and i will say again... rudely ignorant coming from a player of your AW knowledge

DCing a turn <----- not in the hands of another player, not his action or responsibility
WF1st turn <------ direct action by a player for which he made a concious decision to make and is responsible for it
Conclusion... this two things are not comparable

I apologize for my "english" comments, but what can i say when you constantly respond in such a manner that makes me believe you either... didn't read what i said, couldn't understand it or you are trolling me

Написао Htin, 16.10.2015 at 10:55

We should wf in first turn because it makes at war more fair if someone wf u as well.

LOL

Написао clovis1122, 16.10.2015 at 12:33

Clovis,
by my neutral and objective stand in this diacussion, I realized one thing.

You are best example of Contra-person.
It is a person who needs to place its contra arguments, stands and opinions about certaim discussion. Whatsmore, they are often having values which are for 180 degrees different than majority values (ex: In some society, majority of people is religious. Contra-person will have a need to make his values different than values from the rest of society are. In this case, that person will be hardly against religion)

Psihology researches have shown that these people often have a fake confidence but in fact, they are not confident in their knowledge. Their fake confidence will produce an urge to attract any kind of attention just to highlight themselves in society as something they are not (ex: Contra-person lacks knowledge from chemistry, but he will do all to convince society in opposite)
It is not good thing, dude. I dont say you lack some knowledge, but the fact you really have some urges that need to be satisfied is true. I wont go in reasons why they need to be satisfied in your case, but stop being always on opposite side, maybe majority is not that retarded as you think and maybe not only you are smart here.

I'll answer this first:

Написао Goblin, 16.10.2015 at 12:40

Claim that WF1st turn is same as rewalling or ending a turn is your opinion not a fact...
WF 1 st turn not preventable <---- FACT
Rewalling preventable <----- FACT
Conclusion... there is a vital difference that cannot be ignored and your statement is false and i will say again... rudely ignorant coming from a player of your AW knowledge

Wait... let's review this again.

If you knew your opponent would rewall or wf you, you can prevent it. Can we agree this is a fact? If so, then:

Prevent rewall: Just add an extra WF when you break a wall. <---- True?
Prevent WF 1st turn: Just make a bigger wall. <---- True?

ROYAL already knew his opponent would WF him, so he made a bigger wall. Therefore, WFs T1 can in fact be prevented. Check: http://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=22018

Написао Goblin, 16.10.2015 at 12:40

DCing a turn <----- not in the hands of another player, not his action or responsibility
WF1st turn <------ direct action by a player for which he made a concious decision to make and is responsible for it
Conclusion... this two things are not comparable

Again, another thing that can be fixed if we just make the comparison right. Of course, if you dc is not your fault, however:

Wait or Tie with a player that dc'ed<----- All up to the player.
WF1st turn <---------------------------------- All up to the player.

Is this wrong? Where?

Написао Goblin, 16.10.2015 at 12:40

Being consistent doesn't make you right...

Написао Goblin, 16.10.2015 at 12:40

You might be consistent at being wrong

Both are true statement. But notice consistency is that you are either right or wrong, not both. My whole argument here is either right or wrong. Same applies to your argument.

Написао clovis1122, 16.10.2015 at 13:17

Prevent rewall: Just add an extra WF when you break a wall. <---- True?
Prevent WF 1st turn: Just make a bigger wall. <---- True?

Wait or Tie with a player that dc'ed<----- All up to the player.
WF1st turn <---------------------------------- All up to the player.

I already said and you again chose to ignore what i said..

WF
Make a bigger wall?... this would work ONCE! One time Clovis and after that people would start sending two units
But hey... i'm going to wall fuck your country with only 1 unit because i'm a nice wall fucker

DC and ties
First of all i have no idea why you keep talking about this... its not a game mechanic neither related to the gameplay really

As far as your comparison goes... its the stupidest shit i read today

Raping someone <-------------- all up to me if will i do it
Eating a banana <--------------- all up to me if i will do it

OMG raping someone is same as eating a banana?!?...

Написао Goblin, 16.10.2015 at 13:50

WF
Make a bigger wall?... this would work ONCE! One time Clovis and after that people would start sending two units

Between one unit and infinite units, it all depends on how far is your capital, enemy range, how much units you have, etc... I am glad you recognize it though.

Написао Goblin, 16.10.2015 at 13:50

Raping someone <-------------- all up to me if will i do it
Eating a banana <--------------- all up to me if i will do it

OMG raping someone is same as eating a banana?!?...

Yes, they are the same in the sense that they fits with the same categories.

All those un-nice tricks are right in the sense that they all fits in the category. If they weren't consistent with that category, they wouldn't be there. Fortunately to me, they do fits and are consistent with the category called "stuff that are not nice but aren't enforced".

You know Clovis... you are a kind of guy that would push this endlessly, even if you figured out that its bad...
but then a week or month from now make a long ass topic about "how to stop for WF and how mods are somehow guilty"

I'm going out... this is a waste of time

Написао clovis1122, 16.10.2015 at 13:59

Fortunately to me, they do fits and are consistent with the category called "stuff that are not nice but aren't enforced".

Unfortunately for you... its a fallacy, because we spoke about game mechanics and not "nice" or "bad"

Написао clovis1122, 16.10.2015 at 13:59

Написао Goblin, 16.10.2015 at 13:50

Raping someone <-------------- all up to me if will i do it
Eating a banana <--------------- all up to me if i will do it

OMG raping someone is same as eating a banana?!?...

Yes, they are the same in the sense that they fits with the same categories.

All those un-nice tricks are right in the sense that they all fits in the category. If they weren't consistent with that category, they wouldn't be there. Fortunately to me, they do fits and are consistent with the category called "stuff that are not nice but aren't enforced".

I am sorry but EVERY decision someone makes is OBVIOUSLY up to the person themselves. If you think someone eating a banana is the same as a person getting raped then seriously get the fuck out.
Just accept you're wrong clovis, you are not God that you got the answers to fucking kanye west's problems. The point of this thread is turn 1 WFing. You degraded this post because you didn't like the fact that mods enforced this in CWs/duels (that they removed the game).
However something like DCing can be of two reasons: 1.Fake DC or 2.Real DC which is why mods will never have a say in connection problems, which is the same with most games (unless it's on a big stage i.e dota2/LoL)
WFing turn1 only has one root cause - the player's motive to WF on turn1..................................,,,

but i do support some actual solution so that ALL games don't have t1 wf problems.

Hi I am Nero and I disapprove of this topic

Написао Guest, 16.10.2015 at 14:43

Hi, you are wrong. kthxbye.

You didn't came here to argue, did you? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulverism

I've never saw mods actually enforcing those rules in CWs or duels nor does our official rules says something in regards of such thing. Last Duel I had where that happened was just one or two months ago I think, and nothing was done in regards of that. But if moderators are really doing that then I disagree.

Nor you nor Goblin have to argue with me if you guys don't want, my disagreement is just an opinion and it have no power on itself. However, if you guys quote me then I would thanks a lot to avoid the insults and downgrading - they lead to nowhere.

Thanks in advance .

Написао clovis1122, 16.10.2015 at 15:07

Написао Guest, 16.10.2015 at 14:43

Hi, you are wrong. kthxbye.

You didn't came here to argue, did you? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulverism

I've never saw mods actually enforcing those rules in CWs or duels nor does our official rules says something in regards of such thing. Last Duel I had where that happened was just one or two months ago I think, and nothing was done in regards of that. But if moderators are really doing that then I disagree.

Nor you nor Goblin have to argue with me if you guys don't want, my disagreement is just an opinion and it have no power on itself. However, if you guys quote me then I would thanks a lot to avoid the insults and downgrading - they lead to nowhere.

Thanks in advance .

I did come here to argue because Gob said he had enough with you, but I won't leave this thread thinking that rape is same as eating a banana that is just fucking messed up.
>Thanks in advance
Ignorance is bliss clovis, we used to argue with you in a civil manner but now you are just getting ridiculous, here are the consequences. If you feel downgraded then upgrade yourself or stay down I don't mind.

How can you think that I "assume you are wrong" when I clearly showed that I read the thread in its entirety by stating your initial argument. I even said what I thought was a better idea, which you also similiarly stated.

Then it will be rise of blitz fag rushers t2 and will be no more logic gameplay for 3v3 games.

Написао clovis1122, 16.10.2015 at 13:59

Написао Goblin, 16.10.2015 at 13:50

Raping someone <-------------- all up to me if will i do it
Eating a banana <--------------- all up to me if i will do it

OMG raping someone is same as eating a banana?!?...

Yes, they are the same in the sense that they fits with the same categories.

holy fucking shit, are you mentally retarded? get the fuck out of here.