Ranking Up

Написао The Bastard, 09.06.2015 at 11:32

Написао Morgan The Brit, 09.06.2015 at 11:20

That's Not What Pleb Means
And The Point Is, That's NOT A Valid Point, 3v3 and 50K World Map Are ENTIRELY Different And No Comparision Like He Made Should Be Brought To The Table

Well this what the whole thread is about. Comparing skill games (3v3, 3k etc.) with spam games (50k world, most scenarios etc.) and why ranks should reflect ability more. So I deduce that he has every right to make the comparison.

I believe you are another player that has achieved an over inflated rank not reflective of their true ability. You have 500 wins... most skilled players by rank 10 have nearly 1000 wins.

No You Cannot Compare Those Two Different Games In The Way Raul Did, You're Spinning It Off To Make Yourself Right, When Raul Was And Is Wrong,
My Rank Does Not Reflect Upon My Ability Agreed, I Play Like A Rank 13

Написао The Bastard, 09.06.2015 at 11:40

I am the author of this topic, I j replied in my alt because a few of the participants are ignored. (now i remember why).

It wouldn't destroy the incentive to play big money games because if players enjoyed playing them, then they still will, I mean why wouldn't they? they will still get upgrades from SP. This will encourage those players that only play 'spam games' to play other maps as well as high scoring SP games.

Lol, Sun Tzu is the author of this topic, not you
Not all would leave, but as many people are looking to rank up, there would be a gradual shift towards more Europes, and less variety.
What I say isn't what has to happen, it's just my opinion, that's all.

Написао 12gsh, 09.06.2015 at 12:54

Написао The Bastard, 09.06.2015 at 11:40

I am the author of this topic, I j replied in my alt because a few of the participants are ignored. (now i remember why).

It wouldn't destroy the incentive to play big money games because if players enjoyed playing them, then they still will, I mean why wouldn't they? they will still get upgrades from SP. This will encourage those players that only play 'spam games' to play other maps as well as high scoring SP games.

Lol, Sun Tzu is the author of this topic, not you
Not all would leave, but as many people are looking to rank up, there would be a gradual shift towards more Europes, and less variety.
What I say isn't what has to happen, it's just my opinion, that's all.

Kato is my account as I said... read the posts before quoting..., I replied in my alt because a few of the participants are ignored. (now i remember why). (repeated)

The game should be about players enjoying the game not about ranking up, this is the whole point. Rank shuold reflect ability/skilol/experience not who can build the biggest stack and smash them against another big stack. At the moment rank doesn't bear any resemblance to anything that relates to a players playing attributes.

Написао Morgan The Brit, 09.06.2015 at 12:24

No You Cannot Compare Those Two Different Games In The Way Raul Did, You're Spinning It Off To Make Yourself Right, When Raul Was And Is Wrong,
My Rank Does Not Reflect Upon My Ability Agreed, I Play Like A Rank 13

Comparing 2 different game types in a thread determining the value of SP when ranking up is entirely plausible.

Yes you do play like some of the rank 13's here, low standard of players more fitting to a rank 6. I won't name names. Further enhancing my point. Thanks.

Написао Sun Tsu, 09.06.2015 at 13:15

Написао Morgan The Brit, 09.06.2015 at 12:24

No You Cannot Compare Those Two Different Games In The Way Raul Did, You're Spinning It Off To Make Yourself Right, When Raul Was And Is Wrong,
My Rank Does Not Reflect Upon My Ability Agreed, I Play Like A Rank 13

Comparing 2 different game types in a thread determining the value of SP when ranking up is entirely plausible.

Yes you do play like some of the rank 13's here, low standard of players more fitting to a rank 6. I won't name names. Further enhancing my point. Thanks.

Throwing Around Insults When You Dont Know Me Or Seen How I Play, Good Job

Написао Sun Tsu, 09.06.2015 at 13:12

The game should be about players enjoying the game not about ranking up, this is the whole point. Rank shuold reflect ability/skilol/experience not who can build the biggest stack and smash them against another big stack. At the moment rank doesn't bear any resemblance to anything that relates to a players playing attributes.

I know it should be about enjoying the game, but I'm saying hundreds of other players play for rank alone.
There is no real way to fix the rank system. Putting the min. games limit to rank up can just as easily be abused, if not easier than farming SP, as players can either farm games subtly, or just get a friend and spam game after game after...
I agree, the rank system does need a change, but not in this way, I'm thinking

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Написао Morgan The Brit, 09.06.2015 at 13:24

Yes you do play like some of the rank 13's here, low standard of players more fitting to a rank 6. I won't name names. Further enhancing my point. Thanks.

Throwing Around Insults When You Dont Know Me Or Seen How I Play, Good Job

What is insulting is calling people retards/plebs over the type of games played. And I have seen u play... 1v1 agaiinst a skilled lower rank and id put good money on the lower rank winin for the game.

Написао Sun Tsu, 09.06.2015 at 13:34

Написао Morgan The Brit, 09.06.2015 at 13:24

Написао Sun Tsu, 09.06.2015 at 13:15

Написао Morgan The Brit, 09.06.2015 at 12:24

No You Cannot Compare Those Two Different Games In The Way Raul Did, You're Spinning It Off To Make Yourself Right, When Raul Was And Is Wrong,
My Rank Does Not Reflect Upon My Ability Agreed, I Play Like A Rank 13

Comparing 2 different game types in a thread determining the value of SP when ranking up is entirely plausible.

Yes you do play like some of the rank 13's here, low standard of players more fitting to a rank 6. I won't name names. Further enhancing my point. Thanks.

Throwing Around Insults When You Dont Know Me Or Seen How I Play, Good Job

What is insulting is calling people retards/plebs. And I have seen u play... 1v1 against a skilled lower rank and id put good money on the lower rank winning.

I'm Friends With Raul, Or Did You Just Make An Assumption From Thin Air That I Don't Know Him In This Tiny Community Huh? Good Job
Against A Low Rank Who Has Learnt Expansions On Any Map Like EU I Would Lose Yes BECAUSE I DONT PLAY EUROPE, What An Abysmal Way To Measure Skill By Pitting Me Against Anyone Who Practices EU When I Dont, Play Me In WWI/WWII And It Would Be Entirely Different Story.

Написао Morgan The Brit, 09.06.2015 at 13:40

I'm Friends With Raul, Or Did You Just Make An Assumption From Thin Air That I Don't Know Him In This Tiny Community Huh? Good Job


Against A Low Rank Who Has Learnt Expansions On Any Map Like EU I Would Lose Yes BECAUSE I DONT PLAY EUROPE, What An Abysmal Way To Measure Skill By Pitting Me Against Anyone Who Practices EU When I Dont, Play Me In WWI/WWII And It Would Be Entirely Different Story.

I don't care about your relationship with Raul wtf has that to do with anything..

I didnt say a Euro player, I said a skilled player, please stop taking what I say out of context. Infact when did I mention Europe once in our exchange? Most scenarios/custom maps are unbalanced with totally overpowered units/countries usually with allies leading to overinflated SP and rank. I am not saying you are a bad player. I said your rank doesn't reflect your true ability when compared with other players who can play on any map with any setting at the same ranks that have over 1000 wins next to their name.

Написао Sun Tsu, 09.06.2015 at 13:51

Написао Morgan The Brit, 09.06.2015 at 13:40

I'm Friends With Raul, Or Did You Just Make An Assumption From Thin Air That I Don't Know Him In This Tiny Community Huh? Good Job


Against A Low Rank Who Has Learnt Expansions On Any Map Like EU I Would Lose Yes BECAUSE I DONT PLAY EUROPE, What An Abysmal Way To Measure Skill By Pitting Me Against Anyone Who Practices EU When I Dont, Play Me In WWI/WWII And It Would Be Entirely Different Story.

I don't care about your relationship with Raul wtf has that to do with anything..

I didnt say a Euro player, I said a skilled player, please stop taking what I say out of context. Infact when did I mention Europe once in our exchange? Most scenarios/custom maps are unbalanced with totally overpowered units/countries usually with allies leading to overinflated SP and rank. I am not saying you are a bad player. I said your rank doesn't reflect your true ability when compared with other players who can play on any map with any setting at the same ranks.

You Dont Have To Care But Thats Who I Was Insulting So It Is Entirely Relevant To The Previous Part Of The Discussion.

You Said A "1V1" Which Is Only On Maps Such As EU Where Expansions Are Taught And Learnt, If I Was To Play Another Rank 10 On A Map We Both Had Not Played Before, I Would Do As Well If Not Better Than That Said Player. My Gameplay Preferences Do Not Dictate Skill. I Know How To Play The Game As Well As Anyone And Me Playing Scenarios Which Are A Lot More Varied And In My Opinion Fun Does Not Hinder This In The Slightest.

Написао Morgan The Brit, 09.06.2015 at 14:06

Look you are an experienced player, playing the game longer than I have, you probably do know the mechanics and I am probably wrong to suggest you don't deserve to be a rank 10, apologies if that offended you. You probably understand the mechanics as well as anyone agreed. You must admit, there are lots of rank 10+ players out there who in no way deserve to be anywhere near rank 10 though. Let alone 11, 12, 13... which is the reason for this thread.... their should be someway to prevent unskilled/inexperienced players hitting high ranks, you gotta admit something needs to be done. If not I can only conclude a case of delusion. There must be some form of incentive to motivate players to play games that do not churn out tonnes of SP just for the sake of ranking up.

Написао clovis1122, 09.06.2015 at 10:53

Guys, we have SP multiplier now... If any map earns 100% SP and you think it shouldn't , PM a moderator about it.

Do you also have a multiplier that depends on the initial funds?

Yeah, that's what I thought

Написао Morgan The Brit, 09.06.2015 at 12:24

No You Cannot Compare Those Two Different Games In The Way Raul Did, You're Spinning It Off To Make Yourself Right, When Raul Was And Is Wrong,
My Rank Does Not Reflect Upon My Ability Agreed, I Play Like A Rank 13

I didn't compare Eu with world games!!!

I compared 3k world games with 50k world games!! Same map, different starting funds!!

And support, pls give Morgan rank 13 asap!

Написао 12gsh, 09.06.2015 at 13:30

I know it should be about enjoying the game, but I'm saying hundreds of other players play for rank alone.

I wouldn't be so sure about that... I think people play for the sp (upgrades), not the rank itself. They could still farm 50k world games but their rank wouldn't be reflected only by their sp, also by the number of wins.

Написао RaulPB, 09.06.2015 at 14:36

Написао 12gsh, 09.06.2015 at 13:30

I know it should be about enjoying the game, but I'm saying hundreds of other players play for rank alone.

I wouldn't be so sure about that... I think people play for the sp (upgrades), not the rank itself. They could still farm 50k world games but their rank wouldn't be reflected only by their sp, also by the number of wins.

Написао Sun Tsu, 09.06.2015 at 14:17

Написао Morgan The Brit, 09.06.2015 at 14:06

Look you are an experienced player, playing the game longer than I have, you probably do know the mechanics and I am probably wrong to suggest you don't deserve to be a rank 10, apologies if that offended you. You probably understand the mechanics as well as anyone agreed. You must admit, there are lots of rank 10+ players out there who in no way deserve to be anywhere near rank 10 though. Let alone 11, 12, 13... which is the reason for this thread.... their should be someway to prevent unskilled/inexperienced players hitting high ranks, you gotta admit something needs to be done. If not I can only conclude a case of delusion. There must be some form of incentive to motivate players to play games that do not churn out tonnes of SP just for the sake of ranking up.

Apology Accepted
Yes, I Agree With Your General Sentiment But Ever Since The Days Of UN There Have Been Noob High Ranks And Even Then Before That. Noob High Ranks Is A Problem That Will Not Go And Only Grows With The Introduction of RP And Such Scenarios. Until Scenarios Such As RP Where Allyfagging And Mass Troop Hoarding Is Removed, The Problem Will Not Go. So As Far As I'm Concerned, Live With It.

Написао Morgan The Brit, 09.06.2015 at 14:44

Apology Accepted
Yes, I Agree With Your General Sentiment But Ever Since The Days Of UN There Have Been Noob High Ranks And Even Then Before That. Noob High Ranks Is A Problem That Will Not Go And Only Grows With The Introduction of RP And Such Scenarios. Until Scenarios Such As RP Where Allyfagging And Mass Troop Hoarding Is Removed, The Problem Will Not Go. So As Far As I'm Concerned, Live With It.

Hence the reason for minimum number of games won and level of SP attained to help negate the issue... I think winning at least 500 games to hit rank 10 isn't unreasonable. But that goes back to the point of win farming and the plausibility of the farming being detected. I realise my idea isn't foolproof... but I have yet to see any stronger ides.

Написао Sun Tsu, 09.06.2015 at 14:46

Написао Morgan The Brit, 09.06.2015 at 14:44

Apology Accepted
Yes, I Agree With Your General Sentiment But Ever Since The Days Of UN There Have Been Noob High Ranks And Even Then Before That. Noob High Ranks Is A Problem That Will Not Go And Only Grows With The Introduction of RP And Such Scenarios. Until Scenarios Such As RP Where Allyfagging And Mass Troop Hoarding Is Removed, The Problem Will Not Go. So As Far As I'm Concerned, Live With It.

Hence the reason for minimum number of games won and level of SP attained to help negate the issue... I think winning at least 500 games to hit rank 10 isn't unreasonable. But that goes back to the point of win farming and the plausibility of the farming being detected. I realise my idea isn't foolproof... but I have yet to see any stronger ides.

There Is No Feasible Option That Would Be Implemented In A Decent Amount Of Time And Even Then The Systems Would Be Eh, As Far As I'm Concerned, There Is Nothing To Be Done But Document The Noob High Ranks So You Remember To Kick Them In The Future.

Написао Morgan The Brit, 09.06.2015 at 14:54

There Is No Feasible Option That Would Be Implemented In A Decent Amount Of Time And Even Then The Systems Would Be Eh, As Far As I'm Concerned, There Is Nothing To Be Done But Document The Noob High Ranks So You Remember To Kick Them In The Future.

Написао Sun Tsu, 09.06.2015 at 14:44

Написао RaulPB, 09.06.2015 at 14:36

Написао 12gsh, 09.06.2015 at 13:30

I know it should be about enjoying the game, but I'm saying hundreds of other players play for rank alone.

I wouldn't be so sure about that... I think people play for the sp (upgrades), not the rank itself. They could still farm 50k world games but their rank wouldn't be reflected only by their sp, also by the number of wins.

Well, your kind of missing the point, but anyhow........ Never mind, I'm moving on

Написао 12gsh, 09.06.2015 at 15:08

Well, your kind of missing the point, but anyhow........ Never mind, I'm moving on

Actually, you're the one missing the point

Написао RaulPB, 09.06.2015 at 16:19

Actually, you're the one missing the point

That's what I thought you'd say
You disagree with my point. I disagree with your point.
We have different out-looks on the situation, that's all. We see the same situation with a different perspective from each other, and there's nothing wrong with that.
It's normal to have opposition on a issue

Написао 12gsh, 09.06.2015 at 16:39

Personal question: you play for the SP (upgrades) or for the rank (symbol)?

Написао 12gsh, 09.06.2015 at 16:39

Написао RaulPB, 09.06.2015 at 16:43

Personal question: you play for the SP (upgrades) or for the rank (symbol)?

Neither, I play for fun. The ranks and upgrades are a fun addition.

Написао 12gsh, 09.06.2015 at 17:01

Neither, I play for fun. The ranks and upgrades are a fun addition.

So... why do you think people play for the rank, and not for the sp?

Написао RaulPB, 09.06.2015 at 14:29

Написао clovis1122, 09.06.2015 at 10:53

Guys, we have SP multiplier now... If any map earns 100% SP and you think it shouldn't , PM a moderator about it.

Do you also have a multiplier that depends on the initial funds?

Yeah, that's what I thought

Should I go completely logical and tell you that this reply have no meaning, or you want me to assume that, somehow, it is correct to make people play low funds games over high funds ones?


For avoid a discussion that leads this to off-topic, I will just say that I disagree. This is my personal opinion. Don't try to change it.