Serious Thread

Написао W4R_MaChINE, 22.05.2014 at 20:30

And then you get mods that get on forums and post things like this:

"I have failed to observe any of the issues that you have brought up as of lately. There are more 3v3s than ever, mods are definitely not corrupt, name-calling has always been around, (probably worse a couple years ago to be frank with you) (maybe YOU have experienced this, but globally, nothing has changed)."

If a majority of the community are complaining about certain issues, there is obviously a problem. People arent just making stuff up to complain about.

I have seen so much contradiction from mods lately. They claim they're players just like everyone else. but yet they "can't" be corrupt, nor do they namecall. Mods are here to help the community in the best intrests of the community, and report anything they feel necessary to the admins.
Lets be real here, none of this is happening.

SUPPORT TO THE 10000000000000 DIMENSION!!! I have been saying this for ages, the mods themselves think they are always right and they believe that when they ban someone for something they shouldn't be banned for or they overlook a serious issue. The admins do it also, I have reported many times to Ivan when a mod has done something not morally or lawfully right and every time he says nothing about it or tells me to leave it alone. The mods and the admins do not deal with the real issues.

By the way, many people are now in their exams, there will probably be some boost after some weeks.

Написао Guest, 22.05.2014 at 20:39

By the way, many people are now in their exams, there will probably be some boost after some weeks.

I thought so and I hope it is why tbh.

Написао clovis1122, 22.05.2014 at 20:39

Some stuff bla

I am not saying that RP isn't a real map but im saying that the players should be exposed to all aspects where while playing RP you only get to experience a kind of luxury game where you are always cushioned with money and units (and spamming bunkers and nukes is still a ton of attack/defence so its not a waste and using them helps your income)

Написао W4R_MaChINE, 22.05.2014 at 20:30

And then you get mods that get on forums and post things like this:

"I have failed to observe any of the issues that you have brought up as of lately. There are more 3v3s than ever, mods are definitely not corrupt, name-calling has always been around, (probably worse a couple years ago to be frank with you) (maybe YOU have experienced this, but globally, nothing has changed)."

If a majority of the community are complaining about certain issues, there is obviously a problem. People arent just making stuff up to complain about.

I have seen so much contradiction from mods lately. They claim they're players just like everyone else. but yet they "can't" be corrupt, nor do they namecall. Mods are here to help the community in the best intrests of the community, and report anything they feel necessary to the admins.
Lets be real here, none of this is happening.

I disagree entirely.

1) Some complain about little things that will always manifest anyways.
2) Some complain about things that didn't even bother them, but are now complaining because others are.
3) Some complain about a variety of reasons but suggest nothing worthwhile.
4) Legitimate complaints.

"I have seen so much contradiction from mods lately. They claim they're players just like everyone else. but yet they "can't" be corrupt, nor do they namecall."

I don't understand the juxtaposition here. Explain more clearly. Secondly, your premise of "contradiction" is not at all explained in your subsequent statements. Give me some examples where a mod used name-calls. And, if we can be corrupt give me an example as to why it contradicts the typical player. And consequently, I'll ask you to define "corrupt" for clarification.

"Mods are here to help the community in the best intrests of the community, and report anything they feel necessary to the admins.
Lets be real here, none of this is happening."

Yes, and we do, or else the admins would have us removed. We discuss community interests in our fora and try to meet the interests of the community the best we can. The admins are very busy with their personal lives, they cannot always be here to make changes or modifications. It's their game, not yours. You are not entitled to anything at all.

How are none of these things happening? What makes you think that? What, because YOUR interests aren't being met? What is your definition of the "community's interests"? The admins recently updated the site to HTML, and they try their best to fix urgent bugs.

What do you propose?

Написао tophat, 22.05.2014 at 20:50

Написао W4R_MaChINE, 22.05.2014 at 20:30

And then you get mods that get on forums and post things like this:

"I have failed to observe any of the issues that you have brought up as of lately. There are more 3v3s than ever, mods are definitely not corrupt, name-calling has always been around, (probably worse a couple years ago to be frank with you) (maybe YOU have experienced this, but globally, nothing has changed)."

If a majority of the community are complaining about certain issues, there is obviously a problem. People arent just making stuff up to complain about.

I have seen so much contradiction from mods lately. They claim they're players just like everyone else. but yet they "can't" be corrupt, nor do they namecall. Mods are here to help the community in the best intrests of the community, and report anything they feel necessary to the admins.
Lets be real here, none of this is happening.

I disagree entirely.

1) Some complain about little things that will always manifest anyways.
2) Some complain about things that didn't even bother them, but are now complaining because others are.
3) Some complain about a variety of reasons but suggest nothing worthwhile.
4) Legitimate complaints.

"I have seen so much contradiction from mods lately. They claim they're players just like everyone else. but yet they "can't" be corrupt, nor do they namecall."

I don't understand the juxtaposition here. Explain more clearly. Secondly, your premise of "contradiction" is not at all explained in your subsequent statements. Give me some examples where a mod used name-calls. And, if we can be corrupt give me an example as to why it contradicts the typical player. And consequently, I'll ask you to define "corrupt" for clarification.

"Mods are here to help the community in the best intrests of the community, and report anything they feel necessary to the admins.
Lets be real here, none of this is happening."

Yes, and we do, or else the admins would have us removed. We discuss community interests in our fora and try to meet the interests of the community the best we can. The admins are very busy with their personal lives, they cannot always be here to make changes or modifications. It's their game, not yours. You are not entitled to anything at all.

How are none of these things happening? What makes you think that? What, because YOUR interests aren't being met? What is your definition of the "community's interests"? The admins recently updated the site to HTML, and they try their best to fix urgent bugs.

What do you propose?

I propose you answer my post about a real example. But then again that would be addressing the issue.

Написао Quantum027, 22.05.2014 at 20:18

Написао tophat, 22.05.2014 at 20:10

I have failed to observe any of the issues that you have brought up as of lately. There are more 3v3s than ever, mods are definitely not corrupt, name-calling has always been around, (probably worse a couple years ago to be frank with you) (maybe YOU have experienced this, but globally, nothing has changed).

The community has always been labelled as "shit" from the very beginning. What do you want? What do you expect? You have not proposed anything worthwhile in your respective rant.

The mods are "shit" according to you, and probably several others. But why do you think this; you have not provided any reasons as to why. What should the mods be doing that they are not currently doing? Or in what aspect are the mods performing poorly in?

We mods are players just like you, we do it voluntarily. We do the best we can. We don't have any unfair individual agendas of any sort. Why would we need that, and what benefit would it do for us? If we are not present to assist a situation where a player is misbehaving for example, or if we're not there to answer questions at the time that you ask one, then send us a pm, or make a report. We cannot possibly handle every situation with perfect efficiency every time. We have lives as well, and we are not always all online.

As for player activity, your observation is false. AW's player activity has been incrementing consistently for a while. I mean, I think we're up to 600 players online on average now.

Here is a recent situation that happened today. Lord Pontez sent out a global message asking people to apply to Illyria, I make a smartass remark in global, waffle then lols on global and khal joins in insulting waffle (khal in Illyria btw). Acquiesce sends me a 15 minute mute from global, gives Waffel a 5 min mute, and Khal nothing. I don't think this is fair at all, either we are all punished or we all aren't. Acquiesce lets his own personal agenda about me affect his abilities as a mod and I feel that compromises his ability to handle matters. This will be edited or removed im sure but its a serious issue Acquiesce has done this before on occasions and I have stories about other mods doing the same, neglecting to hold their clan mates or friends to the same standard as everyone else. We are equal, or are we?

You've given me 1 example of 1 mod. You still have clarifications to establish in order for your initial statements to be arguably accepted. How can you be sure of this? Have you seen it concretely? Or are you basing this assumption on what others have said. (Some people make false accusations).

Написао Quantum027, 22.05.2014 at 20:18

Here is a recent situation that happened today. Lord Pontez sent out a global message asking people to apply to Illyria, I make a smartass remark in global, waffle then lols on global and khal joins in insulting waffle (khal in Illyria btw). Acquiesce sends me a 15 minute mute from global, gives Waffel a 5 min mute, and Khal nothing. I don't think this is fair at all, either we are all punished or we all aren't.

dude lol common.First of all you didnt just make a "smartass" comment, you straight insulted a whole clan, just after a recruitement global.I didnt insulted i just made a joke in reply to waf,thats it, but even so, you think i would have a problem taking my global away for 5 or 15 minutes?lol who cares and why are we having this discusion for 5 min global mute?You deserved even more tbh.And gunning for Aqui, seriously dude?This guy is a sweetheart, he is one of the best guys here in Atwar and a good mod, i dont know what happened when you were in Illyria, but maybe its time for you to chill out a little.

Написао Mr_Own_U, 22.05.2014 at 20:53

"I don't understand the juxtaposition here. Explain more clearly. Secondly, your premise of "contradiction" is not at all explained in your subsequent statements. Give me some examples where a mod used name-calls. And, if we can be corrupt give me an example as to why it contradicts the typical player. And consequently, I'll ask you to define "corrupt" for clarification. "

We would get called cry-babies if we point out what a mod did wrong, or a player. Just thought i'd point that out.

Well, there are several ramifications surrounding this instance of "name-calling". There is nothing wrong with calling someone a cry baby if they are legitimately being a cry baby. lol.

Написао Khal.eesi, 22.05.2014 at 20:56

Написао Quantum027, 22.05.2014 at 20:18

Here is a recent situation that happened today. Lord Pontez sent out a global message asking people to apply to Illyria, I make a smartass remark in global, waffle then lols on global and khal joins in insulting waffle (khal in Illyria btw). Acquiesce sends me a 15 minute mute from global, gives Waffel a 5 min mute, and Khal nothing. I don't think this is fair at all, either we are all punished or we all aren't.

dude lol common.First of all you didnt just make a "smartass" comment, you straight insulted a whole clan, just after a recruitement global.I didnt insulted i just made a joke in reply to waf,thats it, but even so, you think i would have a problem taking my global away for 5 or 15 minutes?lol who cares and why are we having this discusion for 5 min global mute?You deserved even more tbh.And gunning for Aqui, seriously dude?This guy is a sweetheart, he is one of the best guys here in Atwar and a good mod, i dont know what happened when you were in Illyria, but maybe its time for you to chill out a little.

Like I said we either all get punished or not at all, the time yes didn't really matter but its the principle that matters to me. Acqui might be all sweets to people who he likes/ in his clan but he is a true dictator and will silence any speech that he finds to be different from what he thinks simple as that.

Написао clovis1122, 22.05.2014 at 20:58

Написао Quantum027, 22.05.2014 at 20:48

I am not saying that RP isn't a real map but im saying that the players should be exposed to all aspects where while playing RP you only get to experience a kind of luxury game where you are always cushioned with money and units (and spamming bunkers and nukes is still a ton of attack/defence so its not a waste and using them helps your income)

Another one who hasnt played RP. sorry bro, nukes and bunkers cost 2000+ money. also, they have high collateral damange. Is true they had boosted the income recently, and now citys like rnw produce neaby the same as paris/moscow ( like 800 income). But still, you can send 1 nuke and *poof* high collateral wipe out all income. ALSO UNITS ARE COSTLY.

You should stop judging it.

Написао Permamuted, 22.05.2014 at 19:57

YOU ARE JUDGING SOMENTHING YOU NEVER HAD PLAYED.

I have played RP and its full of ally fagging and unit spamming with no time to wall bc of 3 min turns with 200 cities

Написао clovis1122, 22.05.2014 at 20:39

told ya. dont come with fake lies like "competitive is fun".

Even if is UN game or RP, you will need to fight. and Fight will make you strong. Judge RP players for play different is like judge Bluecher for begin best dueler in ancient world.

You and whole atwar community should just shut up and stop blaming us, the player who play different to ordinary and tory system. Devs made custom map for somenthing!!!

if you dont find competitive games fun then why are you playing them? this is a game, its meant to be fun. what are you doing here? why arent you playing custom maps 24/7 if thats what you find fun?

do not accuse me of lying again, fun is subjective. but the popularity of many strategy games with a strong competitive element would backup the statement that comeptettive is fun.

and stop talking shit. there isnt a single scenario or ancient world player that can stand up to the stronger competitive players of this community on any map. competitive gameplay is where youll become strong, and the default map is the main map youll find a balanced competitive dynamic. hence why we all play it. look at the ancient world tourney, the regular ancient world players are mostly getting thrashed by the default map players. we only need a few plays of their map to determine what countries and strats are powerful.

ive played bluecher2 on ancient world and beaten him, he refuses to duel me even on his own playground. and ive played UNs RPs and the others. fun maps, but theyll never make you a good player.

and i dont personally blame custom maps, i blame ivan and amok, the focus in gameplay should be on the default map, not these rps and other maps. a rank zero should not join the beginners lobbby after the tutorial and immediately end up in an RP game, thinking that gameplay encompasses the atwar experience. because as id said if youd read my post.

"atwar was bult around the default map.it was made and balanced by ivan and meant to be the primary showcase of aw. so why is it now being sidelined for lower quality maps? why isnt gameplay on it being encouraged more? the custom maps were only ever meant to be for fun and a bit of change."

and how can someone become a good player from playing roleplay? most of the strats are useless on it due to the "other" units. all these great strats created by the devs, and roleplay players will neve rlearn how to use them.

Написао clovis1122, 22.05.2014 at 20:39

told ya. dont come with fake lies like "competitive is fun".

Even if is UN game or RP, you will need to fight. and Fight will make you strong. Judge RP players for play different is like judge Bluecher for begin best dueler in ancient world.

You and whole atwar community should just shut up and stop blaming us, the player who play different to ordinary and tory system. Devs made custom map for somenthing!!!

if you dont find competitive games fun then why are you playing them? this is a game, its meant to be fun. what are you doing here? why arent you playing custom maps 24/7 if thats what you find fun?

do not accuse me of lying again, fun is subjective. but the popularity of many strategy games with a strong competitive element would backup the statement that comeptettive is fun.

and stop talking shit. there isnt a single scenario or ancient world player that can stand up to the stronger competitive players of this community on any map. competitive gameplay is where youll become strong, and the default map is the main map youll find a balanced competitive dynamic. hence why we all play it. look at the ancient world tourney, the regular ancient world players are mostly getting thrashed by the default map players. we only need a few plays of their map to determine what countries and strats are powerful.

ive played bluecher2 on ancient world and beaten him, he refuses to duel me even on his own playground. and ive played UNs RPs and the others. fun maps, but theyll never make you a good player.

and i dont personally blame custom maps, i blame ivan and amok, the focus in gameplay should be on the default map, not these rps and other maps. a rank zero should not join the beginners lobbby after the tutorial and immediately end up in an RP game, thinking that gameplay encompasses the atwar experience. because as id said if youd read my post.

"atwar was bult around the default map.it was made and balanced by ivan and meant to be the primary showcase of aw. so why is it now being sidelined for lower quality maps? why isnt gameplay on it being encouraged more? the custom maps were only ever meant to be for fun and a bit of change."

and how can someone become a good player from playing roleplay? most of the strats are useless on it due to the "other" units. all these great strats created by the devs, and roleplay players will neve rlearn how to use them.

You know, if admins implemented a cavalry icon as they promised, map making would be 10% more fun

But, vey! Let's waste all our time implementing features and then abandoning them (map making, cws, etc)

Also, while html5 will bring more players, let's be honest at best it will bring a temporally boost of 30% (at most) and then people will either quit due to lack of good maps, or play RP 24/7.

Btw: how come there is more players (600), but no new scenarios? And every day scenarios become harder to fill?

I agree with Clovis and Jared. I don't see why Khal would not be muted if Jared and Waffel were. Seems pretty straightforward to me. Mute one, mute all, or mute no one at all.

Написао tophat, 22.05.2014 at 20:58

Написао Mr_Own_U, 22.05.2014 at 20:53

"I don't understand the juxtaposition here. Explain more clearly. Secondly, your premise of "contradiction" is not at all explained in your subsequent statements. Give me some examples where a mod used name-calls. And, if we can be corrupt give me an example as to why it contradicts the typical player. And consequently, I'll ask you to define "corrupt" for clarification. "

We would get called cry-babies if we point out what a mod did wrong, or a player. Just thought i'd point that out.

Well, there are several ramifications surrounding this instance of "name-calling". There is nothing wrong with calling someone a cry baby if they are legitimately being a cry baby. lol.

Haha, well apparently reporting someone for being disrespectful to your clan is considered being a baby right?

Написао Mr_Own_U, 22.05.2014 at 21:03

Написао tophat, 22.05.2014 at 20:58

Написао Mr_Own_U, 22.05.2014 at 20:53

"I don't understand the juxtaposition here. Explain more clearly. Secondly, your premise of "contradiction" is not at all explained in your subsequent statements. Give me some examples where a mod used name-calls. And, if we can be corrupt give me an example as to why it contradicts the typical player. And consequently, I'll ask you to define "corrupt" for clarification. "

We would get called cry-babies if we point out what a mod did wrong, or a player. Just thought i'd point that out.

Well, there are several ramifications surrounding this instance of "name-calling". There is nothing wrong with calling someone a cry baby if they are legitimately being a cry baby. lol.

Haha, well apparently reporting someone for being disrespectful to your clan is considered being a baby right?

Disrespectful as in... ? Did he hurt your feelies?

Написао Cpt.Magic, 22.05.2014 at 21:03

You know, if admins implemented a cavalry icon as they promised, map making would be 10% more fun

But, vey! Let's waste all our time implementing features and then abandoning them (map making, cws, etc)

Also, while html5 will bring more players, let's be honest at best it will bring a temporally boost of 30% (at most) and then people will either quit due to lack of good maps, or play RP 24/7.

Btw: how come there is more players (600), but no new scenarios? And every day scenarios become harder to fill?

They did not abandon them. No point in coding the features into the older version when they are already coding them into the HTML version of the game. Why double code? Seems like a waste of time that would only further delay the new version of the game.

Написао Mr_Own_U, 22.05.2014 at 21:03

Написао tophat, 22.05.2014 at 20:58

Написао Mr_Own_U, 22.05.2014 at 20:53

Haha, well apparently reporting someone for being disrespectful to your clan is considered being a baby right?

Please take butthurt elsewhere. This is serious thread, not butthurt thread. Kay? Thanks. Bye.

Suggestions?

• Reinforce adopt a noob program
  
• Global announcements (or via PM) of supporting programs
  
• Tournaments directed to low-ranks
  
• Checking possibility for limiting SP/turn/time ratio
  
• Additional lobby for competitive games
  
• What else?

Lets get over this "blaming on the others posture". What are we contributing to the community? Each one of us that (supposedly) care about the community.

Написао tophat, 22.05.2014 at 21:05

Написао Mr_Own_U, 22.05.2014 at 21:03

Написао tophat, 22.05.2014 at 20:58

Написао Mr_Own_U, 22.05.2014 at 20:53

"I don't understand the juxtaposition here. Explain more clearly. Secondly, your premise of "contradiction" is not at all explained in your subsequent statements. Give me some examples where a mod used name-calls. And, if we can be corrupt give me an example as to why it contradicts the typical player. And consequently, I'll ask you to define "corrupt" for clarification. "

We would get called cry-babies if we point out what a mod did wrong, or a player. Just thought i'd point that out.

Well, there are several ramifications surrounding this instance of "name-calling". There is nothing wrong with calling someone a cry baby if they are legitimately being a cry baby. lol.

Haha, well apparently reporting someone for being disrespectful to your clan is considered being a baby right?

Disrespectful as in... ? Did he hurt your feelies?

LOL, see where i'm going? "Did he hurt your feelies? " There you go guys, perfect example of a mod trying to be a smartass..

Написао Spart, 22.05.2014 at 21:03

I agree with Clovis and Jared. I don't see why Khal would not be muted if Jared and Waffel were. Seems pretty straightforward to me. Mute one, mute all, or mute no one at all.

clovis never agreed with you he agreed with me.And you should leave this thread, the line of corupted mods ended with you..all the rest are clean and safe, stop trying to drag others with you

Btw sorry mou, but tops that was really funny.i burst into laughter xD

Lets get back to topic, please. Take the butt-hurtness to the CW-room and fight it out.

Написао tophat, 22.05.2014 at 21:05

Написао Mr_Own_U, 22.05.2014 at 21:03

Написао tophat, 22.05.2014 at 20:58

Написао Mr_Own_U, 22.05.2014 at 20:53

"I don't understand the juxtaposition here. Explain more clearly. Secondly, your premise of "contradiction" is not at all explained in your subsequent statements. Give me some examples where a mod used name-calls. And, if we can be corrupt give me an example as to why it contradicts the typical player. And consequently, I'll ask you to define "corrupt" for clarification. "

We would get called cry-babies if we point out what a mod did wrong, or a player. Just thought i'd point that out.

Well, there are several ramifications surrounding this instance of "name-calling". There is nothing wrong with calling someone a cry baby if they are legitimately being a cry baby. lol.

Haha, well apparently reporting someone for being disrespectful to your clan is considered being a baby right?

Disrespectful as in... ? Did he hurt your feelies?

How about excessive racism and constant harassment? Chill has done this for months in Illyria, I talked to Acqui about it and he said to not worry about it. I talked to Cthulhu and he said that he would talk to acqui about it but nothing seemed to have happen if they even had a conversation. Its situations like these that make me doubt you moderators as a whole. Chill calls Syrian-Force "a dirty-no good arab" and Syrian is offended about it as it as happened before and leaves the clan, what does acqui do? nothing. Now in terms of moding, he might not have to do anything but as the leader of Illyria he shouldn't be allowing that to happen. This is evident in his character as a mod, his friends can be rude to everyone but when someone retaliates against his friends he will rein hell upon them like no one has seen b4

Написао Khal.eesi, 22.05.2014 at 21:08

Написао Spart, 22.05.2014 at 21:03

I agree with Clovis and Jared. I don't see why Khal would not be muted if Jared and Waffel were. Seems pretty straightforward to me. Mute one, mute all, or mute no one at all.

clovis never agreed with you he agreed with me.And you should leave this thread, the line of corupted mods ended with you..all the rest are clean and safe, stop trying to drag others with you

Did I hit a nerve with my honesty Khal? And Clovis agree with Jared. You would know this if you spoke Clovis. So please take your butthurt elsewhere Khal because you obviously have zero idea how moderating work. Your knowledge of moderating is about as good as Greek's knowledge of managing finances.

Написао Khal.eesi, 22.05.2014 at 21:08

Написао Spart, 22.05.2014 at 21:03

I agree with Clovis and Jared. I don't see why Khal would not be muted if Jared and Waffel were. Seems pretty straightforward to me. Mute one, mute all, or mute no one at all.

clovis never agreed with you he agreed with me.And you should leave this thread, the line of corupted mods ended with you..all the rest are clean and safe, stop trying to drag others with you

I smell a kiss-up. Funny cause you were loving spart when you were in Syndicate. I think now you are blind by your corrupt leader, am I wrong?

Написао Spart, 22.05.2014 at 21:11

Your knowledge of moderating is about as good as Greek's knowledge of managing finances.

I AM SO DEAD AHAHHAAHAGHGS

Написао Spart, 22.05.2014 at 21:03

I agree with Clovis and Jared. I don't see why Khal would not be muted if Jared and Waffel were. Seems pretty straightforward to me. Mute one, mute all, or mute no one at all.

i disagree, i didnt see these globals, but personally i would mute the guy who started the global flamewars ie marcus. knowing waffel he probably started insulting too so id mute him too. id send warnings to any others.

to a mod who only sees in black and white an abuse of global is an abuse of global, but personally id crack down harder on uses of global to insult or flame.

Another cry thread that proposes nothing constructive and just seeks to insult specific people for personal satisfaction. Can't say I'm surprised.

I didn't mute Waffel or Khal at all because all they did was misuse global chat. I muted you (for 15 minutes) for being an all around bitter individual, insistent on attacking my clan whenever the opportunity presents itself. You can call it bias if you like but part of my job as a mod is making subjective judgements about punishments and I will never ignore player history and intent when making those calls.